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Fasting

mazza 2

mazza 2

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Hi Everyone

I'm been reading about intermittent fasting on the diet doctor website. I need some clarification on what is stated, I don't know if I'm understanding it !!! It states that when fasting your blood glucose levels will decrease. If that is the case why does my blood sugars increase on waking up. If I have my last meal at 7pm and wake up at 8am the next morning I would have fasted for 13 hours. Also can anyone advise me what action they take when bg is high in the mornings. Do you eat something or not? Sorry for all the questions, only diagnosed over 2 weeks ago.
Thank you all so much for taking the time to answer all the questions I've been posting, you are all wonderful.
 
mazza 2 said:
Hi Everyone

I'm been reading about intermittent fasting on the diet doctor website. I need some clarification on what is stated, I don't know if I'm understanding it !!! It states that when fasting your blood glucose levels will decrease. If that is the case why does my blood sugars increase on waking up. If I have my last meal at 7pm and wake up at 8am the next morning I would have fasted for 13 hours. Also can anyone advise me what action they take when bg is high in the mornings. Do you eat something or not? Sorry for all the questions, only diagnosed over 2 weeks ago.
Thank you all so much for taking the time to answer all the questions I've been posting, you are all wonderful.
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Dawn Phenomenon is the most likely culprit. Your liver releases glucose to give you a kickstart in the morning and often when attempting sudden strenuous exercise.

Some people avoid carbohydrates late in the evening or eat something non-carby on waking as it may trick the body into thinking that your about to have breakfast thus reducing the glucose release.
 
Your higher bg in the morning is due to liver dump (aka Dawn Phenomena). This happens to provide you withthe energy you need to start your day. Some people find a small bite to eat on rising is enough to stem the flow or a creamed coffee may work for you. Good luck.

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The fasting bg is always the last and trickiest to get a handle on. Concentrate on pre and post prandial numbers and fbg will come down at a later stage.
 
I have just been reading up on the Dawn phenomenon and agree that’s why my BG is higher in the morning.
In term of eating, I normally have unsweetened soya yogurt with single soya cream and some berries, this drops my BG down again. Others swear by bulletproof coffee. Just keep monitoring your BG and you’ll see what’s good for you. Good luck
 
In some people that have a lot of insulin resistance the glucose dumped by the liver will remain several hours. If that is the case it is better not to eat any carbs at all but to have something fatty such as cream or some fatty protein such as cheese or a couple of eggs. In these situations, eating something carby may increase the glucose level.
 
Well, as it's Sunday I've had fried egg, tomato and bacon(grilled). I'll test in another 2 hours and see what happens. Fingers crossed. Thanks everyone
 
Guzzler said:
Your higher bg in the morning is due to liver dump (aka Dawn Phenomena). This happens to provide you with the energy you need to start your day. Some people find a small bite to eat on rising is enough to stem the flow or a creamed coffee may work for you. Good luck.

Edited to Add.
The fasting bg is always the last and trickiest to get a handle on. Concentrate on pre and post prandial numbers and fbg will come down at a later stage.
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On the contrary, my fasting bg is mostly low 5.1 to 5.6 but 2hrs. PP is sometimes as high as 8.8. I eat only one slice of bread at lunch and dinner with vegetables. Breakfast is just boiled eggs or fruit and am on 500mg x 2 per day Metmorfin. I find this strange that one slice of bread can raise BG to this level.......... what should I do increase metformin?
 
SZB2357 said:
On the contrary, my fasting bg is mostly low 5.1 to 5.6 but 2hrs. PP is sometimes as high as 8.8. I eat only one slice of bread at lunch and dinner with vegetables. Breakfast is just boiled eggs or fruit and am on 500mg x 2 per day Metmorfin. I find this strange that one slice of bread can raise BG to this level.......... what should I do increase metformin?
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Metformin won't help keep spikes down post meal. It doesn't work that way. It only helps to a limited extent with reducing the amount of glucose your liver produces. Your meter is telling you that your body doesn't cope well with bread, even one slice. Mine doesn't, either so I don't eat ordinary bread.
 
SZB2357 said:
On the contrary, my fasting bg is mostly low 5.1 to 5.6 but 2hrs. PP is sometimes as high as 8.8. I eat only one slice of bread at lunch and dinner with vegetables. Breakfast is just boiled eggs or fruit and am on 500mg x 2 per day Metmorfin. I find this strange that one slice of bread can raise BG to this level.......... what should I do increase metformin?
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Thick cut? thin cut? brown? white? How many grams of carbohydrate in your slice of bread? It could easily raise me a couple of mmol and your vegetables may be low carb but they aren't carb free.

There are also people in the forums who find that eggs can spike their blood glucose levels.
 
In the early days it is trial and error. If you see a high reading after a meal then something must be too carb heavy for you personally. Try the same meal again without the bread or try it with a lower carb bread such as Burgen, HiLo or Lidle Protein roll. Take note of the differences in your meal diary and look for patterns.
 
I try and stick to wholemeal or wholemeal and Rye, and only one slice. Preferably home made or from a local artisan baker so it doesn’t have all the other stuff the supermarkets put in, I felt naughty last week so had a sausage baguette , about 15 cm - sugars up to 14, Wholemeal I stay in the 8 range
 
SZB2357 said:
I find this strange that one slice of bread can raise BG to this level.......... what should I do increase metformin?
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Bread is usually 50% carbohydrate.. wouldn't it make more sense to not eat the bread rather than take more drugs?
 
bulkbiker said:
Bread is usually 50% carbohydrate.. wouldn't it make more sense to not eat the bread rather than take more drugs?
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This might be a silly question but how do you not have hypos?:)
 
davidcar said:
I likewise, have you had stomach surgery in any form?
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A T2 not on any diabetes medication (and there are many of us) are no more likely to hypo than a healthy non-diabetic. Our livers take care of us. Diabetics on insulin or medication that causes extra insulin to be produced can hypo if their medication is too strong for the food they recently ate.
 
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