This is exactly my experience too constant hunger when previously dieting with low fat calorie deficit and lots of exercise too. Not only did I lose my excess weight on keto with higher calorie days - from the previously forbidden fat I introduced back into my diet - without hunger and without as much exercise but I continue at the same weight give or take a couple of pounds up and down right through my seven and counting low carb years.I agree with your second paragraph but not the first. I had dieted using calorie control all my adult life, and was good at it, but it was a horrible experience and I was always hungry. I stopped in the end because I entered one of those mega-stressful times life brings and just couldn't take the constant hunger as well as all the other pressures. I ate "healthy" food (I'm a nutrition geek) but of course that isn't healthy for T2 diabetics.
When I embraced keto following my diagnosis, I knew I was eating significantly more calories than when I applied calorie control. I was amazed at how the excess weight just fell off, my energy levels rose, and I felt much better all round. So, with enormous respect, I dispute that all weight loss depends on calorie deficit because of my own lived experience. And I very much doubt that I'm the only one who has found this.
How do you know you were eating more calories? Did you rigorously track over an extended period of time? If you did, where do you suspect your excess calories went? How were they utilised or disposed of by your body?I agree with your second paragraph but not the first. I had dieted using calorie control all my adult life, and was good at it, but it was a horrible experience and I was always hungry. I stopped in the end because I entered one of those mega-stressful times life brings and just couldn't take the constant hunger as well as all the other pressures. I ate "healthy" food (I'm a nutrition geek) but of course that isn't healthy for T2 diabetics.
When I embraced keto following my diagnosis, I knew I was eating significantly more calories than when I applied calorie control. I was amazed at how the excess weight just fell off, my energy levels rose, and I felt much better all round. So, with enormous respect, I dispute that all weight loss depends on calorie deficit because of my own lived experience. And I very much doubt that I'm the only one who has found this.
How much did you lose in 5 days And how much of that was fat, and how much water?So I lost weight on a fat fast consisting of 2300 cals a day for 5 days. So I assume that my daily requirement is in excess of 2300.
I do check my calories when I am doing keto, but to make sure I have at least 1200 cals (preferably 1500 +)every day.
As I said: I'm a nutrition geek. Half a century of rigid calorie control put me in the Gold Standard of knowing when I was eating more calories. I don't need anything more than my brain to find that. I don't know or care where the "excess" calories went as I could SEE where they didn't go, given that I lost a lot of weight. Of course people can lose weight by calorie control, but it hurts. Keto doesn't. Therefore I find it much easier. That's the control element. I don't actually need self-control at all, which means life's other slings and arrows don't affect my diet because my diet doesn't stress me.How do you know you were eating more calories? Did you rigorously track over an extended period of time? If you did, where do you suspect your excess calories went?
As a "nutrition geek" one would have thought you might have a bit more intellectual curiosity about where the excess calories went.As I said: I'm a nutrition geek. Half a century of rigid calorie control put me in the Gold Standard of knowing when I was eating more calories. I don't need anything more than my brain to find that. I don't know or care where the "excess" calories went as I could SEE where they didn't go, given that I lost a lot of weight. Of course people can lose weight by calorie control, but it hurts. Keto doesn't. Therefore I find it much easier. That's the control element. I don't actually need self-control at all, which means life's other slings and arrows don't affect my diet because my diet doesn't stress me.
My brain is perfectly capable of doing many things, calorie assessment being one of the easier ones, and my personality doesn't go in for delusions.I suspect your brain thought it was consuming more calories, but actually wasn't.
I suspect you are trying to twist facts to try to fit your own mistaken beliefs. I had the same experience as @Outlier as did my non diabetic husband when he follwed LCHF for a couple of months. He lost weight whilst eating more calories.As a "nutrition geek" one would have thought you might have a bit more intellectual curiosity about where the excess calories went.
I suspect your brain thought it was consuming more calories, but actually wasn't. That and an increase in expenditure some of which probably came from from protein digestion put you in a technical deficit.
Agreed on the control - low carb is proven to decrease ghrelin and thus hunger, plus increase satiety so you feel full faster and longer. Overall a win.
I suspect you are trying to twist facts to try to fit your own mistaken beliefs. I had the same experience as @Outlier as did my non diabetic husband when he follwed LCHF for a couple of months. He lost weight whilst eating more calories.
Perhaps you should rethink your ideas which are based on old science? We can't all be wrong.
No I can't. I don't need to. With @Outlier n=3 here. I doubt there have been any, there's no money in it for the food and drugs companies.Can you cite some peer reviewed studies that show where consuming more calories than you expend results in fat loss?
Your husband may or may not have been eating more calories than on other diets, but either way he was expending more than he consumed overall.
I suspect you are trying to twist facts to try to fit your own mistaken beliefs. I had the same experience as @Outlier as did my non diabetic husband when he follwed LCHF for a couple of months. He lost weight whilst eating more calories.
Perhaps you should rethink your ideas which are based on old science? We can't all be wrong.
Science needs to be based on a solid foundation of truth. Anecdote and "big pharma" conspiracy theories are not a foundation for progressing science.I'm not sure why you keep questioning our calorie counting abilities. Why is it so important to you to be right? You might learn something if you had a more open mind.
Please could you provide some evidence for why you think people with insulin-resistance cannot properly utilise carbs, and for the calculations you've presented.If we eat for the sake of argument 2000 calories a day, according to the NICE guidelines that’s about 1200 calories from carbs. But with Insulin resistance our bodies cannot use that amount. If we are capable of handling 1000 calories worth, that leaves an excess of 200 calories, and because we are not getting enough fuel from what we eat
But energy needs trump any fat storage. Unless you're trying to suggest that insulin levels are raised 24/7, preventing fat-burning, then there will always be time to burn fat in response to energetic need e.g when in a caloric deficit. It might be inefficient for the body to store as fat what it'll need in pretty short order, but that's not relevant to the argument you're makingDue to the Insulin resistance, our bodies answer, is to ramp up Insulin production. The immediate solution, store it away as fat, we’ll worry about that later.
I am currently 15 kilos lighter than I was when I joined this place, 5 years ago, and I have a high (measured) level of insulin-resistance.So for a type 2 it all boils down to Insulin levels, with higher blood sugars, we have higher Insulin levels, this increases the fat storage rate, and reduces the stored fat use rate.
Not necessarily. I tend towards a manageable deficit purely by reducing the amount of fat and protein in my diet. I either eat similar amounts of carbs, or more on some days.A reduced calorie diet, by it’s very nature, is a reduced carb diet,
The driver of weight/fat-loss is energy deficitif you restrict your diet by 500 calories a day, that is going to be 300 calories of carbs gone. That is the driver of the weight loss.
Objective claims require objective evidence. Please could you share your tracking records.As many of us here know by removing those 300 calories of carbs from our diets, and replacing them with fats and protein, we can get the same outcome, without restricting our calories.
Please could you provide some evidence for why you think people with insulin-resistance cannot properly utilise carbs, and for the calculations you've presented.
But energy needs trump any fat storage. Unless you're trying to suggest that insulin levels are raised 24/7, preventing fat-burning, then there will always be time to burn fat in response to energetic need e.g when in a caloric deficit. It might be inefficient for the body to store as fat what it'll need in pretty short order, but that's not relevant to the argument you're making
I am currently 15 kilos lighter than I was when I joined this place, 5 years ago, and I have a high (measured) level of insulin-resistance.
According to you, I would be incapable of properly utilising the (many) carbs I eat, and my level of circulating insulin should prevent me from utilising fat stores.
So where have I been getting all my energy from, all these years?
Not necessarily. I tend towards a manageable deficit purely by reducing the amount of fat and protein in my diet. I either eat similar amounts of carbs, or more on some days.
The driver of weight/fat-loss is energy deficit
Objective claims require objective evidence. Please could you share your tracking records.
Energy restriction needn't be intentional for weight/fat-loss, but it does need to exist.
So has the 15kg fat loss got you to remission? (I'm referring to the thread title).Please could you provide some evidence for why you think people with insulin-resistance cannot properly utilise carbs, and for the calculations you've presented.
But energy needs trump any fat storage. Unless you're trying to suggest that insulin levels are raised 24/7, preventing fat-burning, then there will always be time to burn fat in response to energetic need e.g when in a caloric deficit. It might be inefficient for the body to store as fat what it'll need in pretty short order, but that's not relevant to the argument you're making
I am currently 15 kilos lighter than I was when I joined this place, 5 years ago, and I have a high (measured) level of insulin-resistance.
According to you, I would be incapable of properly utilising the (many) carbs I eat, and my level of circulating insulin should prevent me from utilising fat stores.
So where have I been getting all my energy from, all these years?
Not necessarily. I tend towards a manageable deficit purely by reducing the amount of fat and protein in my diet. I either eat similar amounts of carbs, or more on some days.
The driver of weight/fat-loss is energy deficit
Objective claims require objective evidence. Please could you share your tracking records.
Energy restriction needn't be intentional for weight/fat-loss, but it does need to exist.
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