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<blockquote data-quote="xyzzy" data-source="post: 324220" data-attributes="member: 40343"><p>Nope never said it was the best diet ever. Just that its better than the one recommended by the NHS for T2's. If your are not a diet only or diet only + minimal meds T2 diabetic then other regimes higher in carbs and lower in fats may be just as healthy. A lot of other countries offer a range of lower carbohydrate regimes as they have correctly concluded using evidence from the 21st century that they are more suitable for T2 diabetics. In the UK we are advocated a one diet is suitable for all people be they non diabetic, T1 or T2. That is the fundamental objection of many T2's on the forum.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's also a method that as a T2 diabetic keeps my BG's at near non diabetic levels, reduced my cholesterol to normal and given me a brilliant BP on nigh on no meds which the standard NHS diet did not. Quite happy to be called anything by anybody as I'm the one with the 4.9% hBA1c.</p><p></p><p></p><p>but 11 years and $200 million the AHEAD Trial LONG term study has just shown that low fat and high carb diet with exercise regimes are pretty useless for T2 diabetics so that sounds worse to me. There are an increasing number of long term studies for low carb regimes. If that wasn't the case then why would even the ADA recommend a 130g / day limit on carbs (what they call their quarter plate approach) which amounts to a 25% carb restricted diet. That's half the 50% carb regime a person is recommended in the UK. There are long term studies on the safety of low carb diets but they are not in the realm of diabetics try reading up on the application of Ketogenic diets for Epilepsy suffers. Why would the worlds two leading healthcare systems recommend low carb regimes for T2 diabetics if they weren't using an evidence based approach? </p><p></p><p>Alternatively find me one real peer reviewed major long term scientific study that shows increasing saturated fats does cause my arteries to fur up. There are loads of major long term scientific studies to show it doesn't. Many of the studies that show fats to be bad simply group all fats together. No one is suggesting an increase in say trans fats would be good for you.</p><p></p><p>Again find me one real peer reviewed major long term scientific study that shows a low carbohydrate diet is in anyway dangerous.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There you go stereotyping people again even though you don't seem to realise you are doing it. So I and other T2's are causing a strain on the NHS because of the bad life style choices we made? Well thanks a bundle Geezer. All I did was for most of my life was to be a good boy and follow the low fat high carb 5 a day eat from fresh and exercise stuff I was told would keep me healthy as did many, many T2's who are members of this forum. When I was diagnosed pre diabetic back in 2010 I took and religiously followed all the standard NHS diet education literature stuff. The result? Within three months my hBA1c had risen to 8.3% and six months later it had risen to 11.3%. At that point enough was enough and I swapped to doing low carb high fat and reduced it down to 4.9% in 6 months. I agree educating people is very important the trouble is the education message is plain wrong in this country. It is so easy for doctors and the government and people like yourself to blame the patients rather than actually blame the message that's being delivered. If I had been given a low carb diet sheet by the NHS when pre diabetic (as I would have been done in Sweden) then I'd have never progressed to full T2 and consequently wouldn't be "such a strain" on the NHS would I?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xyzzy, post: 324220, member: 40343"] Nope never said it was the best diet ever. Just that its better than the one recommended by the NHS for T2's. If your are not a diet only or diet only + minimal meds T2 diabetic then other regimes higher in carbs and lower in fats may be just as healthy. A lot of other countries offer a range of lower carbohydrate regimes as they have correctly concluded using evidence from the 21st century that they are more suitable for T2 diabetics. In the UK we are advocated a one diet is suitable for all people be they non diabetic, T1 or T2. That is the fundamental objection of many T2's on the forum. It's also a method that as a T2 diabetic keeps my BG's at near non diabetic levels, reduced my cholesterol to normal and given me a brilliant BP on nigh on no meds which the standard NHS diet did not. Quite happy to be called anything by anybody as I'm the one with the 4.9% hBA1c. but 11 years and $200 million the AHEAD Trial LONG term study has just shown that low fat and high carb diet with exercise regimes are pretty useless for T2 diabetics so that sounds worse to me. There are an increasing number of long term studies for low carb regimes. If that wasn't the case then why would even the ADA recommend a 130g / day limit on carbs (what they call their quarter plate approach) which amounts to a 25% carb restricted diet. That's half the 50% carb regime a person is recommended in the UK. There are long term studies on the safety of low carb diets but they are not in the realm of diabetics try reading up on the application of Ketogenic diets for Epilepsy suffers. Why would the worlds two leading healthcare systems recommend low carb regimes for T2 diabetics if they weren't using an evidence based approach? Alternatively find me one real peer reviewed major long term scientific study that shows increasing saturated fats does cause my arteries to fur up. There are loads of major long term scientific studies to show it doesn't. Many of the studies that show fats to be bad simply group all fats together. No one is suggesting an increase in say trans fats would be good for you. Again find me one real peer reviewed major long term scientific study that shows a low carbohydrate diet is in anyway dangerous. There you go stereotyping people again even though you don't seem to realise you are doing it. So I and other T2's are causing a strain on the NHS because of the bad life style choices we made? Well thanks a bundle Geezer. All I did was for most of my life was to be a good boy and follow the low fat high carb 5 a day eat from fresh and exercise stuff I was told would keep me healthy as did many, many T2's who are members of this forum. When I was diagnosed pre diabetic back in 2010 I took and religiously followed all the standard NHS diet education literature stuff. The result? Within three months my hBA1c had risen to 8.3% and six months later it had risen to 11.3%. At that point enough was enough and I swapped to doing low carb high fat and reduced it down to 4.9% in 6 months. I agree educating people is very important the trouble is the education message is plain wrong in this country. It is so easy for doctors and the government and people like yourself to blame the patients rather than actually blame the message that's being delivered. If I had been given a low carb diet sheet by the NHS when pre diabetic (as I would have been done in Sweden) then I'd have never progressed to full T2 and consequently wouldn't be "such a strain" on the NHS would I? [/QUOTE]
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