Giving advice

HSSS said:

I agree no one deserves amputation with the provisio that if a person has been given some information repeatedly by someone with personal experience of that information, albeit a non professional, and choose to not investigate it in the slightest for themselves then it can be hard to have the same degree of sympathy as one would for someone never given that information at all and more than a little frustration.

After all all of us found our way here and evaluated the low carb message for ourselves by being a little (or a lot) self reliant.

I guess older generations particularly have the dr knows best mentality and obedience to authority (the NHS) attitude that resist this autonomy, possibly coupled with a lack of technological ability or experience to com the research. And this may be passed down within families to younger people.

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Your argument doesn't always hold. Take statin pushing. I was advised to take a statin, I politely refused. I was then badgered and lastly frightened into taking it. I took it for one week then stopped. I was then told by a jumped up nurse that I couldn't possibly have experienced pain caused by the statin because statins do not cause pain. I recently went to my practice to get some admin sorted and even the receptionist commented on my refusal to take the statin and when I refused to explain my reasons to a jumped up typist in a waiting room full of strangers she started making notes on my record (for the doctor, she said). Do I deserve a heart attack?

Guzzler said:

Your argument doesn't always hold. Take statin pushing. I was advised to take a statin, I politely refused. I was then badgered and lastly frightened into taking it. I took it for one week then stopped. I was then told by a jumped up nurse that I couldn't possibly have experienced pain caused by the statin because statins do not cause pain. I recently went to my practice to get some admin sorted and even the receptionist commented on my refusal to take the statin and when I refused to explain my reasons to a jumped up typist in a waiting room full of strangers she started making notes on my record (for the doctor, she said). Do I deserve a heart attack?

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I did say investigate not follow but I get your point. I was bullied into surgery by drs last year despite expressing my doubts so I’ve been on that side of it too. We can each only do what we think is best but that’s hard without even listening to both side s of any argument.

HSSS said:

I did say investigate not follow but I get your point. I was bullied into surgery by drs last year despite expressing my doubts so I’ve been on that side of it too. We can each only do what we think is best but that’s hard without even listening to both side s of any argument.

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Sometimes, just sometimes we should all try to walk in someone else's shoes. We are not all the same, physically or mentally and we certainly should not pass judgement.

Guzzler said:

There have been a couple of comments on this thread that strike me as quite self righteous. No one deserves to lose a leg especially if they have followed medical advice that is decades out of date.

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Agree 100%

Many people have things going on in their heads that work colleagues or outside of work friends have no idea about. Might have severe depression problems for example. (was watching 24hrs in A&E last night, one poor student stabbed himself due to the state of his mind, he survived, all his friends said he came across as the most together, level headed relaxed member, and one said he was the person that held the group together, they were all totally shocked (and very supportive) when they realised all was not as it seems with him)

A few years ago when my other health problems meant for months at time, I was just existing, my ONLY form of pleasure was food. I can assure you with 100% certainty that had I been diagnosed with type 2 then, I would have carried on eating normally. My only other alternative would have been to kill myself, as as far as I was concerned, if I cant have this one pleasure, whats the point of existing.

Very hard to understand if you've never been there.

Regarding the woman whose lost a toe, she must know it's because of her diabetes, she will have been told numerous times the risks if she doesn't change her diet, which is why I suspect her mind is in a different place to ours, and until (or if) she gets help in the other areas, sadly I doubt any amount of advice will change her eating. Of course that doesn't mean the op shouldn't try.

Denial can also be a very strong inhibitor of change. I knew I was at risk of diabetes due to excess weight family history and lethergy. Due to the fact I thought “it won’t happen to me” and other issues in my life I made no changes until diagnosis.

I get diabetesuk on my facebook feed, and many responses are, life is too short to be in a diet. Even when I try to explain I get short shrift from them, I'm wasting my typing skills (on a tablet no less).

Some people just want to live their life as they want, despite the consequences. I knew a T1 who drank beer and ate what he wanted. He's had a few rounds of laser treatment for retinopathy and has neuropathy too - he was willing to accept the consequences of him living his life the way he wanted.