I love the 'Aaaarrrggggghhhhh'! Just about sums up the frustrations so many T2 people must feel when dealing with all too many of the specialist healthcare professionals ... so many of them, so much out-of-date given what's now understood from research?
But if you're newly diagnosed, how are you meant to handle this? It's taken me a while to really take on board the low-carb diet, and the absence of support from my local diabetic nurse (I never see a GP) is more than depressing.
Good luck on your journey to better health and as Hypocrites said Let food be thy medicine and medicine thy food. Fuel your body better with REAL food, Good health is wealth, nothing is sweeter than success and being in remission [and reversed mild retinopathy] is worth more than a slice of bread, biscuit, cake or piece of fruit xx
I believed that was apparent from my response...if you are not on any diabetes medication there is no need for a diabetes medication prescription however if she were able to 'drop' the Gliclazide and rely on Metformin or diet & exercise only with approval from her health care professionals of course... it's very likely they will stop issuing testing strips & a meter on prescription.Being diagnosed alone (ie purely diet controlled) doesn’t get you the same entitlement
Exactly the same here xfieldok..the one I attended was no help whatsoever...the first question we got was 'so what type of diabetic are you all'...we looked puzzled since the DESMOND was for T2's only & answered tentatively thinking we may have come on the wrong course when we replied one by one 'type 2' we were told to give ourselves a big pat on the back...form then it just got worse & worse...from having to individually tell the other members what out HbA1c was to guessing how many calories were contained in the plastic food they passed round.By the time I went to the Desmond Course i
Hippocrates is offer regarded a the father of medicine. He lived in Greece about 400BC. Doctors take the Hippocratic oath which is named after him. Hypo is the Greek prefix meaning "under" so hypoglycemia is low sugar and a hypodermic goes under the skin.Who is Hypocrites? Are hypos named after him or her?
Are you suggesting doctors purposely harm their patients? That seems to be taking cynicism too far.Ironic that the hippocratic oath is "do no harm".
I believed that was apparent from my response...if you are not on any diabetes medication there is no need for a diabetes medication prescription however if she were able to 'drop' the Gliclazide and rely on Metformin or diet & exercise only with approval from her health care professionals of course... it's very likely they will stop issuing testing strips & a meter on prescription.
And that’s not quite accurate.If you are diagnosed as diabetic you will not be charged for your prescriptions
Really...thank you.I was just posting for clarity.
I wouldn't say it's cynical or that patients are deliberately harmed however ignorance which is a major factor is not acceptable...there are health care professionals who give outdated or little advice on T2 diabetes management...I have met several from my GP who when I asked him how much he knew about T2 said 'not much' as he tried to increase my medication to the maximum amount despite dropping my HBA1C from 17.4 to 7.6 on my first review to the DSN who was critical of my BG testing and labelled me 'excessive'...the DESMOND course was ineffective...the advice I received form the GP /DSN was ineffective that's more than coincidental...if I had followed the advice I was given by the HCP's I have encountered I would be on maximum medication by now & encountering complications.Are you suggesting doctors purposely harm their patients? That seems to be taking cynicism too far.
I would agree that doctors who have not embraced change or who are not prepared to refer patients where their knowledge is deficient could be accused of negligence. I would however stop short of the position taken by some posters that the whole medical profession is out to get us.I wouldn't say it's cynical or that patients are deliberately harmed however ignorance which is a major factor is not acceptable...there are health care professionals who give outdated or little advice on T2 diabetes management...I have met several from my GP who when I asked him how much he knew about T2 said 'not much' as he tried to increase my medication to the maximum amount despite dropping my HBA1C from 17.4 to 7.6 on my first review to the DSN who was critical of my BG testing and labelled me 'excessive'...the DESMOND course was ineffective...the advice I received form the GP /DSN was ineffective that's more than coincidental...if I had followed the advice I was given by the HCP's I have encountered I would be on maximum medication by now & encountering complications.
I'm being really silly but the following quote popped into my head "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you"☺. So apologies for going off topic and being silly.I would agree that doctors who have not embraced change or who are not prepared to refer patients where their knowledge is deficient could be accused of negligence. I would however stop short of the position taken by some posters that the whole medical profession is out to get us.
Our NHS relies on private practice far too much so it's often about ticking those contractual boxes...meeting those contractual obligations...as GP' surgeries are essentially private practices with the NHS as their biggest contractor I feel there is little room for deviation from standard NHS advice which in respect of my diabetes doesn't work for me & many others here...there are also the local CCGs who dictate how surgeries will spend their budgets although not a statutory body I often wonder what would/could they do if GP practices didn't tow their line...there are a few surgeries who are more enlightened and embrace alternative ways to manage T2 those are few & far between...for me there no doubt T2's are not given the best when it comes to managing their diabetes...the courses are often unfit for purpose...the advice is out dated & archaic the disinterest shown when you hear 'well you might as well take the medication as it will progress irrespective' is not the best care considering this condition can lead to horrifying long term consequences if not addressed...GP's/DSN's need to make more effort and offer more effective care to T2's.the whole medical profession is out to get us.
It went through my mind too Krystyna.I'm being really silly but the following quote popped into my head "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you"☺. So apologies for going off topic and being silly.
My neurology team are second to none. The diabetes team are very hit and miss. Some are right behind me, others are not.Are you suggesting doctors purposely harm their patients? That seems to be taking cynicism too far.
I have had excellent care from the NHS when I had an infection that required two full weeks of intravenous antibiotics...from the haematology department...the vascular scientist's...the ultra sound team...my diabetes was diagnosed shortly after those problems surfaced...the difference in the level of care & support (minimal & indifferent) I received for my diabetes fell far below the standard of the other departments...it does seem like we're pretty much left on our own to figure out how best to deal with itMy neurology team are second to none. The diabetes team are very hit and miss.
I agree that this advice is harmful.T2s are discouraged from testing and told to eat brown bread, rice and pasta etc. Personally consider this advice harmful.
That's exactly how I felt until I found this site and forum and the best DN in the whole of Norfolk - and maybe the best in the whole of the UK. I now feel totally supported on my low carb journey.the difference in the level of care & support (minimal & indifferent) I received for my diabetes fell far below the standard of the other departments...it does seem like we're pretty much left on our own to figure out how best to deal with it
I'm new to this, T2 diagnosed 3 weeks ago so I am still in the confused and waiting for medical information stage, however I do have a work colleague (my assistant really) who has been really, really helpful, as is this thread!
I am testing (that lovely colleague gave me a meter she no longer uses) 3 or 4 times a day to get a handle on it all, (HBA1C was 6.8%) and have seen BG from 4.2 to 12 - trying to isolate the foods that cause the spikes now, but am really confused and annoyed at the conflicting information. Not had my DESMOND yet, I forsee disagreement looking at previous comments, my GP seemed a bit 'You're T2 so what, get on with it' and the DN was sort of....helpful but rather 'oh another overweight bloke with T2' (14st 5'10'). We'll see how things develop, I'm hopeful we can have a better relationship than the first appointment felt.
Doesn't feel too good does it, at first!
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