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<blockquote data-quote="AloeSvea" data-source="post: 973281" data-attributes="member: 150927"><p>Yeah! My understanding too. I can't remember what I was reading, about low carbing and T2D, but I was hugely relieved when I came across what Brunneria is saying - that your target FBG with low carbs can be a little higher than the usual (this was for non-diabetics) really healthy 4.6. (Sigh!) (This is 'really healthy' mind, not just healthy, or even, not dangerous lol.)</p><p></p><p>This health commentor was saying 5.0-6.1 is still pretty healthy for FBGs on a low carb Way Of Eating. I thought about it and it makes sense - because if you are eating particularly low carbs then your liver will be more likely to pop out some more glucose in the night to compensate. And if you have a misreading/mis-signaling liver as in T2D (or prediabetes I guess but less likely? If you haven't hit the highs?) - then even more likely. </p><p></p><p>But like Brunneria, my BGs are much more stable on low-carbs, and the post-meal rise is very mild. And that is good, for sure.</p><p></p><p>And yes, I agree - Donnadoobie - you have great control! </p><p></p><p>And just a note - the positive effects of curcumin, ceylon/verum cinnamon, Gym Sylv, bitter melon, and cider vinegar have all been tested. Not double blinds and so on, but certainly being beyond merely a placebo! To such an extent, you will be advised to adjust your insulin levels by pump if a T1 diabetic if taking such, as they are known to lower BG. </p><p></p><p>I used to discuss all these supplements and so on with my GP, but I stopped. Modern western medicine is truly fabulous with bones, surgery etc, but not with nutrition! You can end up knowing a lot more about nutrition than your GP pretty quickly, as a T2 diabetic using diet as a treatment method.</p><p></p><p>Sometimes it is good to remind folk (and I have had to remind Mr Svea a couple of times) that many pharmaceuticals are actually made from plants that occur in nature. As in the marvellous metformin. (Which is made with a property from a lily.) For people like me who have chosen not to take medication, it can make a lot of sense of eat the food that is good for insulin sensitivity (and therefore one's blood glucose), and supports the good functioning of livers and pancreases and so on. All of those natural remedies don't have to be supplements - but can be eaten, and used to spice food (as in the turmeric which has curcumin in it and gives it that yellow colour.) (And I don't know what I would do without cinnamon!) We need to eat to live (and buy food!) - so why not eat what supports good health in a diabetic? If diabetic, etc. Is how I think.</p><p></p><p>Saying that, I have just taken Gym Sylv in supplement form, ditto bitter melon. And I prefer apple cider vinegar in the amount needed to affect BG in tablet form. (And keep the vinegar for salad dressings!). I wouldn't know Gymnema sylvestre if I fell on it sadly.</p><p></p><p>One of the nice things about being pre-diabetic with relatively low BG like you seem to have is you can go the natural remedy route and the diet and exercise route without too much brow beating. (I chose to go that route myself, but I did go through a lot of brow beating! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AloeSvea, post: 973281, member: 150927"] Yeah! My understanding too. I can't remember what I was reading, about low carbing and T2D, but I was hugely relieved when I came across what Brunneria is saying - that your target FBG with low carbs can be a little higher than the usual (this was for non-diabetics) really healthy 4.6. (Sigh!) (This is 'really healthy' mind, not just healthy, or even, not dangerous lol.) This health commentor was saying 5.0-6.1 is still pretty healthy for FBGs on a low carb Way Of Eating. I thought about it and it makes sense - because if you are eating particularly low carbs then your liver will be more likely to pop out some more glucose in the night to compensate. And if you have a misreading/mis-signaling liver as in T2D (or prediabetes I guess but less likely? If you haven't hit the highs?) - then even more likely. But like Brunneria, my BGs are much more stable on low-carbs, and the post-meal rise is very mild. And that is good, for sure. And yes, I agree - Donnadoobie - you have great control! And just a note - the positive effects of curcumin, ceylon/verum cinnamon, Gym Sylv, bitter melon, and cider vinegar have all been tested. Not double blinds and so on, but certainly being beyond merely a placebo! To such an extent, you will be advised to adjust your insulin levels by pump if a T1 diabetic if taking such, as they are known to lower BG. I used to discuss all these supplements and so on with my GP, but I stopped. Modern western medicine is truly fabulous with bones, surgery etc, but not with nutrition! You can end up knowing a lot more about nutrition than your GP pretty quickly, as a T2 diabetic using diet as a treatment method. Sometimes it is good to remind folk (and I have had to remind Mr Svea a couple of times) that many pharmaceuticals are actually made from plants that occur in nature. As in the marvellous metformin. (Which is made with a property from a lily.) For people like me who have chosen not to take medication, it can make a lot of sense of eat the food that is good for insulin sensitivity (and therefore one's blood glucose), and supports the good functioning of livers and pancreases and so on. All of those natural remedies don't have to be supplements - but can be eaten, and used to spice food (as in the turmeric which has curcumin in it and gives it that yellow colour.) (And I don't know what I would do without cinnamon!) We need to eat to live (and buy food!) - so why not eat what supports good health in a diabetic? If diabetic, etc. Is how I think. Saying that, I have just taken Gym Sylv in supplement form, ditto bitter melon. And I prefer apple cider vinegar in the amount needed to affect BG in tablet form. (And keep the vinegar for salad dressings!). I wouldn't know Gymnema sylvestre if I fell on it sadly. One of the nice things about being pre-diabetic with relatively low BG like you seem to have is you can go the natural remedy route and the diet and exercise route without too much brow beating. (I chose to go that route myself, but I did go through a lot of brow beating! ;):).) [/QUOTE]
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