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<blockquote data-quote="AloeSvea" data-source="post: 973837" data-attributes="member: 150927"><p>I have no problems with the idea that food (as in plants in this case) contains properties that contribute to the the good functioning of our bodies - and even the reverse as the case may be. (And what a bonus that plants in the form of herbs and spices makes other foods taste good.)</p><p></p><p>I have no problems with the idea that certain foods can raise our blood glucose. I have no problems with the idea that certain foods (as in plants, herbs, spices in this case) can help lower them, boost insulin sensitivity indirectly or even directly. </p><p></p><p>It would be very odd, from my point of view, to be a diabetic trying to get well with diet and have problems with those ideas.</p><p></p><p>Especially if not using the French lilac (ie metformin), for whatever reason. </p><p></p><p>Drug companies can do double blind trials (and don't they take years?) Sometimes just a common simple person like me is happy to trust tests that don't involve that level of complexity. And I have no problems trusting 'folk medicine' (ie non-western medicine). Especially if it makes sense, in a non-double-blind tested way. Low-carb diets are un-double blinded tested, at the moment, aren't they? But here we are, so many of us, telling conventional nutritionists and our doctors that we are not waiting for that level of testing, as our health depends on our acting right now. And what do you know? Here we are - getting better. Some of us without double-blind-tested plants. Many, like gymnema sylvestre, that are part of a ground-roots (gee I like that word) folklore health system that have not had labs at their disposal, at least in times past. But one imagines a huge huge huge level of trial and error over the centuries. But have a chat to someone from India and Sri Lanka that herbs from their own medical systems are only placebos. (Whereas the one you use, you know, grew in Europe so .....) Give it a try! I'd love to hear the come-back.</p><p></p><p>Eating and metering is a wonderful thing. Watching ones insulin sensitivity increase is a wonderful thing. When trying a multi-pronged approach to wellness one cannot easily pin-point exactly what it is that is helping you, and what it is that is not.</p><p></p><p>But I would challenge anyone who says the quality and the properties of the plant matter we eat (whether or not in supplement form) has no effect other than a placebo one. </p><p></p><p>By the way, my understanding of Gym Sylv's benefits is that it aids in the reduction of a sweet-tooth, reduces the desire to eat sweet things by dulling the sweet taste sensors on our tongues. This is from common simple wikipedia, but :</p><p></p><p>"<em>G. sylvestre</em> has long been thought of as a medicinal plant in Asia.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnema_sylvestre#cite_note-mol-4" target="_blank">[4]</a> The plants contain a large number of chemicals, including <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triterpenoid" target="_blank">triterpenoids</a>, which may have <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacological" target="_blank">pharmacological</a> properties.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnema_sylvestre#cite_note-mol-4" target="_blank">[4]</a> The constituent <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saponin" target="_blank">saponins</a> have the effect of suppressing the taste of sweetness.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnema_sylvestre#cite_note-mol-4" target="_blank">[4]</a> Extracts from the plant are the subject of research into potential medicinal and industrial applications.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnema_sylvestre#cite_note-mol-4" target="_blank">[4]</a>"</p><p></p><p>Personally, I can see why I took it in the first months of my diagnosis, as I was massively changing my way of eating, which took a good three months to transform it to one that was not going to kill me. I had to kick, or least reduce it, my love of sweet food, of which as we know is readily available at the corner store or supermarket. Perhaps gym sylv helped me do that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AloeSvea, post: 973837, member: 150927"] I have no problems with the idea that food (as in plants in this case) contains properties that contribute to the the good functioning of our bodies - and even the reverse as the case may be. (And what a bonus that plants in the form of herbs and spices makes other foods taste good.) I have no problems with the idea that certain foods can raise our blood glucose. I have no problems with the idea that certain foods (as in plants, herbs, spices in this case) can help lower them, boost insulin sensitivity indirectly or even directly. It would be very odd, from my point of view, to be a diabetic trying to get well with diet and have problems with those ideas. Especially if not using the French lilac (ie metformin), for whatever reason. Drug companies can do double blind trials (and don't they take years?) Sometimes just a common simple person like me is happy to trust tests that don't involve that level of complexity. And I have no problems trusting 'folk medicine' (ie non-western medicine). Especially if it makes sense, in a non-double-blind tested way. Low-carb diets are un-double blinded tested, at the moment, aren't they? But here we are, so many of us, telling conventional nutritionists and our doctors that we are not waiting for that level of testing, as our health depends on our acting right now. And what do you know? Here we are - getting better. Some of us without double-blind-tested plants. Many, like gymnema sylvestre, that are part of a ground-roots (gee I like that word) folklore health system that have not had labs at their disposal, at least in times past. But one imagines a huge huge huge level of trial and error over the centuries. But have a chat to someone from India and Sri Lanka that herbs from their own medical systems are only placebos. (Whereas the one you use, you know, grew in Europe so .....) Give it a try! I'd love to hear the come-back. Eating and metering is a wonderful thing. Watching ones insulin sensitivity increase is a wonderful thing. When trying a multi-pronged approach to wellness one cannot easily pin-point exactly what it is that is helping you, and what it is that is not. But I would challenge anyone who says the quality and the properties of the plant matter we eat (whether or not in supplement form) has no effect other than a placebo one. By the way, my understanding of Gym Sylv's benefits is that it aids in the reduction of a sweet-tooth, reduces the desire to eat sweet things by dulling the sweet taste sensors on our tongues. This is from common simple wikipedia, but : "[I]G. sylvestre[/I] has long been thought of as a medicinal plant in Asia.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnema_sylvestre#cite_note-mol-4'][4][/URL] The plants contain a large number of chemicals, including [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triterpenoid']triterpenoids[/URL], which may have [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacological']pharmacological[/URL] properties.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnema_sylvestre#cite_note-mol-4'][4][/URL] The constituent [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saponin']saponins[/URL] have the effect of suppressing the taste of sweetness.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnema_sylvestre#cite_note-mol-4'][4][/URL] Extracts from the plant are the subject of research into potential medicinal and industrial applications.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnema_sylvestre#cite_note-mol-4'][4][/URL]" Personally, I can see why I took it in the first months of my diagnosis, as I was massively changing my way of eating, which took a good three months to transform it to one that was not going to kill me. I had to kick, or least reduce it, my love of sweet food, of which as we know is readily available at the corner store or supermarket. Perhaps gym sylv helped me do that. [/QUOTE]
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