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Have diabetics been thrown to the wolves during the COVID-19 pandemic?

Jim Lahey said:
Apparently the average age of COVID related death is 82. Older than the average age of death. Let that sink in.
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So is this figure now deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test? I would think that the elderly would die of it quite quickly whilst younger folk would take several weeks fighting it before finally dying. Do these younger folk still count as covid related deaths if death occurs a couple of weeks after 28 days of the test?
 
Jim Lahey said:
Apparently the average age of COVID related death is 82. Older than the average age of death. Let that sink in.
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I think there might more going on than just dying....
 

As far as I know it's within 28 days of a PCR test (in itself flawed) but there appears to be some confusion, with some sources quoting 60 days. But the point is, if the average age of COVID deaths is 82, and the average age of all deaths is ~80, then I think perhaps there's something seriously wrong with the calamity narrative. But then I'm no mathematician, and I'll probably get a telling-off for derailing in a minute, so...
 

Death is not the only calamity though is it? BG levels can be much harder to control post Covid. People who weren't diabetic before now are. I know 2 people who have been left with heart problems after covid and one who was hospitalised with kidney problems a week after she thought she had got over the virus. All 3 still have these new health problems 8 months after having contracted the virus.

Edit: I also know a teenager with digestive problems 8 months on.
 
TimberYardBen said:
Anyone not comfortable leaving the house or going to work has the right and opportunity to not do so
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I do agree with the rest of your post and yes, anyone can just not go to work but that's a Hobson's choice isn't it?
 
Jim Lahey said:
Apparently the average age of COVID related death is 82. Older than the average age of death. Let that sink in.
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The trouble is that its not all about death. I am a well controlled T2 who got Covid in a mild way but I am having relapses and struggling to control my BG despite being very disciplined. I would advise that those who have not had it shouldn be so blase.
 
I'm a teacher in a secondary school who has been advised that I must go to work and 'wash my hands more often, whilst being particularly careful to avoid contact with others'. I've taught approximately 180 different students today alone.... BJ is also recommending that CV people should work from home..... unless you can't...then you're thrown to the wolves
 
Also I suspect it is much easier to be blasé about the deaths being in the over 70's if you are not over 70.
 

I don't understand why schools are being kept open in this latest shut down.

Logically, the disease will simmer on in schools, and hence in the rest of the population via teachers and parents. All I can think is that BJ is just hoping to restrain the numbers till a vaccine is available, because the obvious thing to do would have been to start the lockdown at the beginning of half term and include schools. Too little too late.

My 90 year old father has been shielding since March, the only difference for him is that he can no longer see his long time friend in his 80s who he was visiting while socially distanced in his back garden. But they could meet up in the road just outside his garden while exercising? The rules seem very confusing and inconsistent to me.
 
EllieM said:
The rules seem very confusing and inconsistent to me.
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That’s probably been the one consistent thing about each and every set of rules. In my view, it’s not so much that any one group, or set of groups has been ‘thrown to the wolves’, rather that the ‘unintended’ consequences have perhaps been more severe than what is being ‘dealt with’.
 
zand said:
Death is not the only calamity though is it?
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A good point well made. It's also a calamity that many thousands of non-COVID outpatients have missed essential scans and procedures thanks to the NHS being paralysed with fear. Many thousands have also lost their jobs and more. Some people now can't work or pay their bills due to not being able to work even if they still had a job to go to. Hence why we've all been thrown to the wolves.
 
Agreed. The government couldn't have handled this pandemic worse if it tried. That's why I gave your 'we have all been thrown to the wolves ' post a winner rating.
 
zand said:
Agreed. The government couldn't have handled this pandemic worse if it tried. That's why I gave your 'we have all been thrown to the wolves ' post a winner rating.
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Their biggest mistake was drumming their pithy catchphrase "protect the NHS" into everyone and having the BBC beam it into everyone's living room 24/7 on repeat. This alone doubtless cost countless lives and ruined many many more. They're now trying to undo that disaster by telling people to continue to use the NHS during lockdown v2.0. But the damage is already done. It will probably take years for them to catch up, and some people will die long before that happens.

Right from the beginning the cure has been far, far worse than the disease. And now we're doing it all again on the back of computer modelling software. Thrown to the wolves twice. Calamity doesn't even come close. Johnson and his lackeys should be sent to the Tower.
 
Jim Lahey said:
Their biggest mistake was drumming their pithy catchphrase "protect the NHS" into everyone and having the BBC beam it into everyone's living room 24/7 on repeat. This alone doubtless cost countless lives and ruined many many more.
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Yes and that's why so many of us who caught the virus back then now have complications. The NHS wasn't even open for all COVID-19 patients. Not really sure who we were keeping it open for! And I used to shout ' BUT IT ISN'T OPEN!' at the TV. Not for non covid patients that's for sure and not for those of us who had covid but weren't allowed a test to prove it. I still suffer from the stigma of having the disease and effectively being told I had to stay home and put up with it. Cut adrift, just like the thousands of non covid patients who had their treatment and check ups cancelled.
So the NHS 'stayed open' by being closed to the unlucky ones who needed it.
 
It hasn't stayed open for my 85 year old desperately needing her cancelled hip op. She can't walk, stand or sit without pain.
It hasn't stayed open for her husband's routine checks for his uncontrolled diabetes, or his black legs and failing eyesight
It hasn't stayed open for any of the diabetes checks and consultations I should have had since being diagnosed on lockdown day
It hasn't stayed open for my eye specialist appointment now 10 months overdue

It hasn't stayed open for my nephews planned maxiofacial surgery
Although each of the clinics staff are being paid full as they are not allowed to be furloughed.
Many parts of the NHS have had no or very few patients since the first lockdown.
Yes, some parts have had it tough, but not the majority
 
KK123 said:
I do agree with the rest of your post and yes, anyone can just not go to work but that's a Hobson's choice isn't it?
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My children, who are adults, worry and say I shouldn't really be working, but what I do, I feel bad if I don't work in the lock down but I also feel concerned about my health with the very close contact.
 
I have another session of laser treatment on my left eye on Friday and next week, 11th, I have a diabetes appointment at hospital, I haven't seen my consultant for 2 years, because of cancellations, due to unforeseen circumstances, whether that will go ahead I don't know, so will just have to wait and see.
 
KK123 said:
I do agree with the rest of your post and yes, anyone can just not go to work but that's a Hobson's choice isn't it?
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I guess it is! This year has been very strange indeed, with some huge events falling behind the news when normally they'd have been front and centre. Fingers crossed for a brighter 2021
 
ert said:
What everyone with severe Covid had in common was depleted t-cells, rather than underlying conditions or age.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-...n-why-immunity-is-about-more-than-antibodies/
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Agree. Senescent immunity is a condition of age as are the other conditions which may deplete those T cells such as cancer treatments.
This is why covid vulnerability is so linked to age - even kids with co morbidities do very well because they generally have amazing innate and t cell immunity.
I really get frustrated that T cells and improving our natural immunity (in spite of aging) isn't discussed amidst all this noise about low anti body levels in the population, the BAME connection and even diabetes....There are things we can do to cope better with the virus should we catch it such that virus suppression isn't the only game in town.
 
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