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<blockquote data-quote="pleinster" data-source="post: 1486349" data-attributes="member: 221545"><p>I get that, and appreciate your efforts to clarify the details of the survey. I'm sure I can be a bit closed to surveys and stats at times (and this is due to an academic background)...and we should take on board every bit of info we have available to us. I just don't generally trust no grey area conclusions. Still, heart attacks don't just happen due to diabetes. Why not include people who haven't had diabetes as long and who don't have weight issues at all? I'm not really saying it doesn't paint a reasonable picture of things under certain circumstances...just that it's not a wide enough survey in terms of its parameters to conclude on how approaches impact on all diabetics. I was born with a kidney disease and past surveys have led to very poor practise in that area (particularly in terms of diet in relation to transplants and rejection). Things have improved dramatically, but in many areas of medicine, the con sequences of changes due to such surveys have hindered as much as they have helped. That does not mean that I think they should be stopped. Thanks for getting back with more detail.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pleinster, post: 1486349, member: 221545"] I get that, and appreciate your efforts to clarify the details of the survey. I'm sure I can be a bit closed to surveys and stats at times (and this is due to an academic background)...and we should take on board every bit of info we have available to us. I just don't generally trust no grey area conclusions. Still, heart attacks don't just happen due to diabetes. Why not include people who haven't had diabetes as long and who don't have weight issues at all? I'm not really saying it doesn't paint a reasonable picture of things under certain circumstances...just that it's not a wide enough survey in terms of its parameters to conclude on how approaches impact on all diabetics. I was born with a kidney disease and past surveys have led to very poor practise in that area (particularly in terms of diet in relation to transplants and rejection). Things have improved dramatically, but in many areas of medicine, the con sequences of changes due to such surveys have hindered as much as they have helped. That does not mean that I think they should be stopped. Thanks for getting back with more detail. [/QUOTE]
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