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http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39292389
A study suggests that the way to have a healthy heart is to eat 72% carbs.
I do find it interesting just how this evidence is used. I don’t think anyone is disputing any of the things said in the article that much.
We know that lots of exercise makes us feel a lot healthier.
If I took my LCHF diet which is full of natural foods and is calorie deficient because I need to lose weight and the way to do that is to be in ketosis which involves low carbs and I added back enough brown rice, plantains and apples to convert my current weight loss diet to a weight maintenance diet with more carbs then I too would show up the same kind of proportions of carbs to saturated fats as shown here.
What both diets would be categorized by is a complete absence of additional sugar and any refined foods. Even the fruit these people eat will be lower in sugar than the western variety – for example even canned tomatoes have added sugar.
Both diets would also be categorized by an absence of any refined oils - corn oil etc, - all the ones we have been told are healthy
Both diet include seriously fatty meats which happen to include some saturated fat. All the things we have been told are unhealthy
The actual amount of “saturated fat “ that I would be eating would also be “Low “ as a proportion of this diet - it is only high in relation to my weight reducing diet. It is not “more” gram for gram than these people will eat. I highly doubt that when they sit down to a diet of pig or rat, they limit themselves to 1 ounce of it. They will eat a proper portion size of it, probably much more than I do, then add a whole pile of unprocessed carbs on top.
As result of my western diet I have now developed insulin resistance which means that even unrefined carbs cannot be processed by my body . It is perfectly possible that if I do get rid of all excess fat and that results in a reduction of the insulin resistance then at that stage I may be able to add in unrefined carbs. I already know that I can tolerate more unrefined carbs with little effect on blood sugar then when I began .
Thus none of this is actually saying anything particularly inconsistent.
Where I have a fundamental problem with it is how it is then applied to the average westerner.
It tries to tell you is that if you are trying to diet then you also need to eat a very low proportion of that diet in saturated fat - this involves restricting your fat intake to levels which are superhumanly low whilst eating substantially all of your diet in non-satiating carbs, not being in ketosis and being voraciously hungry, and then we wonder why 99% of diets fail .
Just because from a healthy start point – these people can eat these things, it does not actually indicate how our unhealthy westerners should make the transition from one state to the other. If instead of measuring the level of saturated fats as a proportion they started doing it in grams – then the whole thing would make a lot more sense .
Prof Naveed Sattar, from the University of Glasgow, said: "This is a beautiful real life study which reaffirms all we understand about preventing heart disease.
"Simply put, eating a healthy diet very low in saturated fat and full of unprocessed products, not smoking and being active life long, is associated with the lowest risk of having furring up of blood vessels."
A study suggests that the way to have a healthy heart is to eat 72% carbs.
I do find it interesting just how this evidence is used. I don’t think anyone is disputing any of the things said in the article that much.
We know that lots of exercise makes us feel a lot healthier.
If I took my LCHF diet which is full of natural foods and is calorie deficient because I need to lose weight and the way to do that is to be in ketosis which involves low carbs and I added back enough brown rice, plantains and apples to convert my current weight loss diet to a weight maintenance diet with more carbs then I too would show up the same kind of proportions of carbs to saturated fats as shown here.
What both diets would be categorized by is a complete absence of additional sugar and any refined foods. Even the fruit these people eat will be lower in sugar than the western variety – for example even canned tomatoes have added sugar.
Both diets would also be categorized by an absence of any refined oils - corn oil etc, - all the ones we have been told are healthy
Both diet include seriously fatty meats which happen to include some saturated fat. All the things we have been told are unhealthy
The actual amount of “saturated fat “ that I would be eating would also be “Low “ as a proportion of this diet - it is only high in relation to my weight reducing diet. It is not “more” gram for gram than these people will eat. I highly doubt that when they sit down to a diet of pig or rat, they limit themselves to 1 ounce of it. They will eat a proper portion size of it, probably much more than I do, then add a whole pile of unprocessed carbs on top.
As result of my western diet I have now developed insulin resistance which means that even unrefined carbs cannot be processed by my body . It is perfectly possible that if I do get rid of all excess fat and that results in a reduction of the insulin resistance then at that stage I may be able to add in unrefined carbs. I already know that I can tolerate more unrefined carbs with little effect on blood sugar then when I began .
Thus none of this is actually saying anything particularly inconsistent.
Where I have a fundamental problem with it is how it is then applied to the average westerner.
It tries to tell you is that if you are trying to diet then you also need to eat a very low proportion of that diet in saturated fat - this involves restricting your fat intake to levels which are superhumanly low whilst eating substantially all of your diet in non-satiating carbs, not being in ketosis and being voraciously hungry, and then we wonder why 99% of diets fail .
Just because from a healthy start point – these people can eat these things, it does not actually indicate how our unhealthy westerners should make the transition from one state to the other. If instead of measuring the level of saturated fats as a proportion they started doing it in grams – then the whole thing would make a lot more sense .
Prof Naveed Sattar, from the University of Glasgow, said: "This is a beautiful real life study which reaffirms all we understand about preventing heart disease.
"Simply put, eating a healthy diet very low in saturated fat and full of unprocessed products, not smoking and being active life long, is associated with the lowest risk of having furring up of blood vessels."