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Hello and a meter readings question

marvkat

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hi, I'm new here on the forum although have been lurking since being diagnosed with type 2 a few weeks ago.
I have just received my testing meter from ebay after being point blank refused one by my practice nurse and have a question about meter readings and wonder if anyone can help.
My readings were:
Before meal: 4.7
45 mins after: 9.9
2.5 hours after: 5.9
I realise that it would have been better to test 1 and 2 hours after my meal but couldn't due to having things to do, my question is should I be worried about the 9.9 reading or is the reading at around the 2 hour mark a better guide? Sorry if this is a bit of a rookie question but just trying to get my head around it and get BG under control as best I can. I'm only 29 and it's all come as a bit of a shock to say the least!
Any advice very gratefully received :)
 
5.9 2.5 hours after food is very good so long as it does not continue to drop to under 4 before your next meal. The 9.9 reading suggests that the carbs you ate were very quickly absorbed and of hi gi content. what did you have to eat?
 
Hi marvkat,

well done on getting your own meter. The pre-meal reading at 4.7 is fantastic. It gives you some scope to work from, but it also means that 9.9 is quite high. If you'd been a little higher before the meal (say 5.5-6.5) you'd have been well in to double figures.

As Brett says, let us know what you ate so we can see what did it. The 5.9 reading after 2.5hrs suggests is a good result though.
 
Hi Marvkat and welcome to the forum :) I'm glad you got yourself a testing kit as that will help you to see what you can and can't eat. Test before and 2 hours after meals and if the results are similar then that means that what you have eaten is OK. Otherwise, adjust the portion size or cut out that particular food. Here is the information we give to new members and you will find some information on testing in there. Ask as many questions as you like as there is always someone here to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS


Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 
Thank you all for you responces, I think I may have got a little cocky after the 4.7 reading cause I had a good, low GI meal of omlete made with 2 eggs, quorn pieces, green pepper, onion and cheese and a small slice of granery toast, but then I might have had a small milky way afterwards which clearly explains the 9.9!!!
I suppose my question was about how much that spike matters as my BG came down to good levels afterwards, if I had only tested at 2 hours after the meal I would most likely have been still under 7 which I would have been happy with I think?!
I know milk chocolatey things are bad and I honestly only have any very occassionally since diagnosis, was partly just experimenting with my new toy :lol:
 
Hi marvkat, welcome to, IMHO, the best informed and most supportive Diabetic Community in the world.

The beauty of being able to test is, as you have said, that we can see just how those 'small treats' can effect us and it's then harder to justify having them. I feel so sorry for those who have been refused home testing and don't have the ability to self fund.
 
This spiking biz is what bothers me too - I sort of tried to discus this with the guy that lasered my eye a while back as he seems one of the few I have encountered who even knew what spikes meant. Sadly I am still confused. In particular I want to avoid the effects high BG can cause such as retinopathy (and lawd knows what else). So I have the suspicion that it is these periods of higher BG when the blood viscosity is higher (from the sugar and insulin?) and your pressure goes up and the damage is caused. No matter then that it has come down again to "normal". IMHO the key is to prevent/avoid the spikes completely... but how to even know they are happening. One might come in-between measurements and since we are not able to continuously monitor we are never going to get to proper grips with this.
Empirically there is a way and that is to do the "milky way test" and be oblivious to the effects and test a range of foods we want to eat and see how much we can tolerate by measuring more often, say half hour and I dunno, an hour and then 90 minutes... plot a graph to see what you body is doing. It is like we are conducting scientific experiments on our own person... going to need a lot of strips tho...
One last thing I also suffer from hypertension which likely also affects my narrower blood vessels.... oh happy daze! 8)
 
It is all a bit confusing to say the least! And yes I agree cowboyjim that the spikes are probably best avoided altogether if posible so I will be continuing to experiment with slightly more sensible things than milky ways! Catza you are right, its appaling that strips are not available to everyone, especially when newly diagnosed, I am lucky enough to have a friend working at the local hospital who is able to liberate a small supply for me which certainly helps!
This has also brought up another question for me, I'm full of them! I had a reading of 5.7 before breakfast and 6.0 1 hour later, is there then any need to test at the 2 hour mark as it didn't seem to effect my BG that much? I had a mixture of muesli and oatbran with greek yoghurt if that effects the answer at all?
 
Hi Marvkat!
marvkat said:
This has also brought up another question for me, I'm full of them! I had a reading of 5.7 before breakfast and 6.0 1 hour later, is there then any need to test at the 2 hour mark as it didn't seem to effect my BG that much? I had a mixture of muesli and oatbran with greek yoghurt if that effects the answer at all?

This touches on a generally important issue. My answer to this specifically, is that if you have the same breakfast all the time (which I do) and if you've checked a couple of times to find out BG stays ok, then why keep using valuable strips and testing? I do think it's tempting to "overtest" out of curiosity or because of a "just in case" frame of mind.
My system when diagnosed was to test loads on all the different foods I eat, at least twice on all of them in case of flukes, eating at different times with/without exercise etc until I knew how I responded to all different foods. Now, I don't test nearly as much. I test when I try something different (like a new food, or eating at a different time, or a different exercise regime etc) or now and again anyway to make sure things haven't changed (the "just in case" bit!) A box of 50 strips now lasts me about 2 to 3 months.
With regards to the spikes, there are 2 schools of belief I understand. Some studies showed that spikes weren't the end of the world, and that overall averages (HbA1c) was all important.
Others showed that spikes did indeed have their own affect on some issues like neuropathy and retinopathy.
I tend to believe the latter; an average non-diabetic won't go above 7.8 after eating, and one presumes there's a reason why the body regulates like that. I did some testing at 1 as well as 2 hours PP to look at spikes, and found the obvious high GI starchy carb culprits and of course high sugar content foods (like milky ways! rather than a couple of squares of plain chocolate) gave me high 1 hours so I just don't eat them now.
My aim now is to always be below 7 (hopefully much lower) when I do test at 2 hours, and I assume my "peaks" are ok because I eat low gi type foods.
Guess time will tell if I'm right!
 
Thanks Grazer, that seems a very sensible approach and what I'm aiming for myself. It's looking like I may be able to tolerate low GI carbs quite well after just getting a 5.5 after my oat and wheat bagel at lunch which is very good news for me! Although I will continue to experiment and test while I'm getting used to it all.
 
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