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vasilij.seniut · Mar 16, 2011

hello everyone here,i"m new here,but not new with diabetes.got it starting on 2003.i"m lithuanian,but bit more than 2 years live in UK.keep buying insulin from my country and sending here.so i"d like to know what is the situation with diabetes here,do people pay any here.i work,pay insuravce and all taxes.I"m from EU.thanks everyone for any info

JUSTFOCUS · Mar 16, 2011

Hi v
if you lived here 2 yr's has your uk Gp not guided you threw the nhs system?
There will be someone more experianced than me in insulin soon .Good luck JF.

vasilij.seniut · Mar 16, 2011

im not registered with any GP.was afraid of problems.but can"t buy insulin from my country-too expensive!do people pay any money here if they are woking and registered with GP?
p.s.---1 type.lantus and novorapid(last time changed to "apidra").both from "safani aventis"

cugila · Mar 16, 2011

Hi Vasilij.
Welcome to the forum. You should have registered with a local GP, it is not too late to do so. You should not have to import Insulin or pay for things as by now you would be classed as a resident as far as I am aware.

Here is some information in your own language ? Just a section from the beginning of some information that should help you. The rest is in the link which is too big to post here.

Please read the information.

VALSTYBINĖ SVEIKATOS TARNYBA
THE NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE
Šis biuletenis paaiškina, kaip Valstybinė Sveikatos Tarnyba/National Health
Service (VST/NHS) veikia Jungtinėje Karalystėje (UK).
Valstybinė Sveikatos Tarnyba (NHS) teikia sveikatos paslaugas Jungtinėje Karalystėje
ir biudžetas skiriamas iš mokesčių. Politinio prieglobsčio ieškotojai turi teisę
nemokamai naudotis VST paslaugomis kol jų byla nagrinėjama arba peržiūrima. Norint
gauti vaistus, dantų gydymą, akių testus ir kai kuriais atvejais akinius nemokamai,
Jums reikia užpildyti HC2 formą, kurią galima gauti iš Valstybinės Politinio Prieglobsčio
Paramos Tarnybos/National Asylum Support Service (VPPPT/NASS) arba iš vaistinės.
Nei vienas iš VST/NHS darbuotojų, įskaitant gydytojus, seseles ir vertėjus, neperduos
jokios informacijos kitiems asmenims arba organizacijoms be Jūsų sutikimo. Visa
medicinos rūpybos sistema išsaugo privatumą ir neturi jokios įtakos Jūsų politinio
prieglobsčio bylos sprendimui.

http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/gro ... 122729.pdf

vasilij.seniut · Mar 16, 2011

thanks a lot for info.so insulin is free ir registered with GP?

cugila · Mar 16, 2011

I have no other information in Lithuanian but the position is this :

As part of the registration process you will be asked for evidence of your identity and your right to access free NHS Medical Services. This could mean asking you to produce an E128, E112, adequate proof of your intention to reside and work within this country for at least 6 months, or any other such legal documentation as is required to ascertain your eligibility. You should take that documentation with you at time of registration.

Once registered as a Diabetic ALL medication should then be free. Hope that helps.

vasilij.seniut · Mar 16, 2011

thanks thanks thanks.hope to find a lots of useful inform.here...

phoenix · Mar 17, 2011

I'm not an expert, except through having to navigate EU rules myself because I moved to another EU country; but from what I read:

If you are working for a Lithuanian company and you were sent by them to work in the UK, then in that case an E128 would be the right form.(I don't think the E112 (now s2) is relevant as that is for one off treatment )

Lithuania is one of the newer countries in Europe, one of the A8 countries and workers are required to register under the workers registration scheme unless self employed or they have already worked legally in the UK for 12 months.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/worki ... tregister/

Healthcare in the UK is dependent upon legal residence.
To register at an NHS surgery you need go to one and ask to be registered. They may ask for proof of identity and legal residence. Typical documents might be:

Photo IDeg: passport/ID card
Proof of address eg: utility bills, tenancy agreement.
For someone from an A8 country they may ask for the Accession State Worker Registration card.
If you are self employed youmight have to supply some other form of proof that you have been working here for over 6 months.

vasilij.seniut · Mar 17, 2011

phoenix,,,, no,i don"t work for lithuanian company.used to work for a local man in west yorkshire for more than a year,now self-employed.any way,thanks ...

bowell · Mar 17, 2011

Who is exempt from registration?
You do not need to register to work if:
you are self-employed;

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/eea/wrs/whomustregister/

People Entitled to Full NHS Hospital Treatment free of charge

Anyone who is working in the UK for an employer who is based in the UK or is registered in the UK as a branch of an overseas employer (this includes self employed people). You must be actually working, not just looking for work;

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/Entitlementsandcharges/OverseasVisitors/Browsable/DH_074379

Are you taking up or resuming permanent residence in the UK?

Under the current Regulations, anyone who is taking up or resuming permanent residence in the UK is entitled to free National Health Service (NHS) hospital treatment in England. If your intention is to live permanently in the UK you will be exempt from hospital charges from the date of your arrival in the country but you should expect to be asked to prove your intention and that you are legally entitled to live here.

Can I access primary care services?

GPs have a measure of discretion in accepting applications to join their patient lists. It is advisable to approach a GP practice and apply to register on its list of NHS patients. The practice may choose to accept or decline your application. An application may be refused if the practice has reasonable grounds for doing so. A practice would not be able to refuse your application on the grounds of race, gender, social class, age, religion, sexual orientation, appearance, disability or medical condition. If you have difficulty in registering with a GP, you should get in touch with your local primary care trust (PCT).

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/Entitlementsandcharges/OverseasVisitors/Browsable/DH_074376

if you have your National insurance number and permanent residence in the UK seems you will be OK

vasilij.seniut · Mar 17, 2011

no,i don"t have permanent residence in the UK,but as far as i know people from EU do not need it to visit Gp.we ve got all right in here,as i heard.seems to be ok.thanks for info.other question does the Gp take you to hospital for a few days to ajust insulin doses and to correct it?or it"s different in here?

bowell · Mar 17, 2011

no,i don"t have permanent residence in the UK,

think your getting mixed up here

as long as you live here for 12 months and rent a house flat in the UK
or live in the same house flat that is permanent residence

So not a permit -------- just the place you live all the time = permanently in the uk

vasilij.seniut · Mar 17, 2011

bowell.sorry,my english is not perfect.other side-I speak 3 different laguages,plus little bit other 2-3,but they are quite similar.so can"t be perfect in one.

Froobes · Mar 17, 2011

Just a suggestion to help with the language barrier - you can use google translate which is fantastic for making things a little more coherent.

phoenix · Mar 17, 2011

Actually, I don't think that Vasilij did misuderstand. Permanent residency in the context of living in another EU state has a specific meaning and is only acquired after 5 years of residence. You can, but don't have to apply for a document. After 5 years you have exactly the same rights(apart from voting) as a citizen of the country . In some EU countries this is an important protection as before that you can be asked to leave if you are unable to support yourself financially without having to rely on help from the government (legally the case in the UK also)
http://www.aboutimmigration.co.uk/rules ... eu-uk.html

However, It doesn't affect health care in the UK as, almost uniquely, the right isn't dependent upon contributions and after 6 months in the UK the right to it is gained by living there legally.

does the Gp take you to hospital for a few days to ajust insulin doses and to correct it?or it"s different in here?

I haven't heard of that happening in the UK, unless you are very out of control. Do you test your own glucose levels regularly?.f you have been in the UK for 2 years and have not had health care during that time it will be important for you to have an HbA1c and other blood and urine tests. You may be referred to a hospital for specialist advice. (but as an out patient, not normally to stay)

vasilij.seniut · Mar 17, 2011

that"s good news.have no time to stay in hospital.but who tells you how much insilin to take?in our country we stay in hospital for 10 days,eating food by special diet,and doctors take all analizes(if its right word),and ajust the doses of insulin.how it happens here?

bowell · Mar 17, 2011

bowell.sorry,my english is not perfect.other side-I speak

Aš atsiprašau

I was trying to show you
To register at NHS GP (doctors) you only need to be living here
with a semi permanent address and your not just Here only for a short visit or Holiday

By the way My wife also comes from one of the Baltic States
Her languages are Latvian Russian English Italian
She works as translator for the council

If the Lithuanian Health service is anything like the Latvian Health service.
(I am VERY impressed with Latvian health service and the treatment i received )
In fact i am going to Riga in June the for an operation

You may find things are slower here
You will receive the treatment you need ,it just takes bit longer.

Welcome to the UK and the Forum

Sveiki atvykę

Registruotis į savo naują gydytoją, viskas bus įgyvendintos, siekiant kontroliuoti savo diabetą

Reguliarus ištyrimas su GP ir diabetinės slaugytoja, jums gali būti nurodyta ligoninės diabeto vienetas

Užduoti jums naują GP kaip dalykas yra padaryti jūsų regione

Bob

vasilij.seniut · Mar 17, 2011

that was funny

vasilij.seniut · Mar 20, 2011

vasilij.seniut said:
that was funny

what kind io operation?why you don"t do it here,in your country?
other question-how will Gp know,how much insulin I need,if I don"t stay in hospital for testing for a few days?how do they know what kind of insulin you need,and how much?

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