Help me please

First of all I would just like to say how sorry I am to hear of you fracturing your pelvis WJ

Just tell the staff that it's you diabetes and you want to manage it your own way in hospital as you do at home, hope you make a speedy recovery!

Dr Briffa's comments about needing/not needing carbs, and the thread about it

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Geoff

Hi Whitby,

what a rubbish situation - hopefully you will get out of there soon.

Obviously, you know that..

you can't seriously hypo on diet only

4.5 is not a hypo - no number is really as we all respond differently to different levels - but if 4.5 is a hypo then I am having them most of the day.

You don't need to eat starchy carbs to live - You and I both know that and many on here have now been avoiding them for long enough to have discovered they are not essential.

If you had a religious reason for not eating their suggested foods then they couldn't force you. Be polite but firm - they are treating your pelvis not your diabetes.

Good luck

Swim

Sorry to hear about your pelvis WJ. Make sure you stand your ground and don't put up with the bad advice these half-wits dole out.

swimmer2 said:

If you had a religious reason for not eating their suggested foods then they couldn't force you. Be polite but firm - they are treating your pelvis not your diabetes.

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Wow, that's a great suggestion. Just say you are a Taubist and that you are forbidden from injesting carbs (apart from once a year at the Holy Feast of Bernstein).

Stand your ground. don't give in to them. If they fuss, ask them when they last ate and would they please test their own blood sugar to prove to you that 8 is desirable. It's very unlikely that a non-diabetic would register 8 even shortly after eating candyfloss!
Hana

PS get better SOON!
Hana

Hi Whitby. Sorry to hear about your accident, I've discussed to nightmare of going into hospital and being faced with fighting the establishment all on my own.
Try telling them you are on a ketonic diet similar to the one the nhs prescribes for epilepsy in children.
Your body will synthesise fat and protein to produce glucose for your needs, in fact a long distance runner or cyclist is unable to load enough fuel to last such a race and their body will naturally produce their requirements as above.
With regards to your hypo, absolute rubbish as you know, The world health organisation, which NICE take thier guidance from state hypo starting at 2.8 mmol.
Keep us posted on how you're getting on , all the best

PPS
under the "Think Glucose Initiative", you should be allowed to manage your own diabetes. Every hospital is meant to be subscribibg to "Think Glucose"
Hana

Get better soon WJ. Really do feel for you in the situation you find yourself.

Why on earth are they concerned about you having the blood sugar levels of a healthy non diabetic person?

Perhaps they should read the NICE / IDF guidelines. Safe levels are below 8 two hours after eating and between 4 & 7 at all other times. Show them this link http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

Specifically

For the majority of healthy individuals, normal blood sugar levels are as follows:

The normal blood glucose level in humans is about 4 mM (4 mmol/L or 72 mg/dL)
The body, when operating normally, restores the blood sugar level to a range of about 4.4 to 6.1 mmol/L (82 to 110 mg/dL)
Shortly after eating the blood glucose level may rise temporarily up to 7.8 mmol/L (140 mg/dL)

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You are not on medication so God knows how they think you are at any more risk of a hypo than a non diabetic. Perhaps they need a refresher course to tell them it's not diabetes that causes hypos but overdosing on insulin or in rare occasions taking insulin stimulating medication. You do neither of those.

Stand your ground WJ and do as Swim says and politely but very firmly tell them to treat you fractured pelvis and let you worry about the diabetes you have successfully controlled for years.

Some times I really despair about the lack of knowledge trained health care professionals have. :x

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under the "Think Glucose Initiative", you should be allowed to manage your own diabetes. Every hospital is meant to be subscribibg to "Think Glucose"
Hana

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Hana ... you're a goldmine of extremely useful information!

Judith, I am so sorry to read this, please get well soon.

Stand your ground, this is your choice no-one else's. If you have people bringing in your food, then just eat that and push away what is brought to you. If your Doctors start lecturing you again, ask them what we need carbs for, why they say they are so important. They will give some reason or another, just tell them that research has been posted here, that refutes all they say, and that we don't need carbs at all. Explain, through a reduced carb diet you have brought your HbA1c to normal levels, and you are in little danger of complications, the same complications that those who follow the NHS guidelines are plagued with. We all know, tight control will mean we are doing everything possible to ensure we die able to see and with our feet attached. If they want you to die blind and an amputee, carbs are the way of almost guaranteeing that, so you choose to decline their offer and continue with the diet you know works for you.

If it were me, I would have listened to the first lecture and corrected any errors but any further ones I would have put headphones in and just la la la at them, rude? Well yes perhaps, but I should prefer to be rude and healthy, than compliant and very sick.

Take care Judith, I truly hope you are better soon.

Joanna.

borofergie wrote

Wow, that's a great suggestion. Just say you are a Taubist and that you are forbidden from injesting carbs (apart from once a year at the Holy Feast of Bernstein).

Brilliant stuff !!!!!!!!!

Thanks for a great Sunday lunch time laugh !

BUT, I totally agree WhitbyJet et al, the NHS hit squads are NOT trained properly in the treatments of patients.

Stick to your own proven methods of control, I would say that 4.5 is almost the holy grail of T1's and T2s, tell them exactly where thay can shove their sandwiches....

Good luck, hope you are better soon and out of there ......Superchip

That sounds painful Whitbyjet, lots of good suggestions here - love the Taubist one the best.
My mum is in hospital at the mo, had a look at the food list, and the ones that were diabetic and veggie, very little to eat. Couldn't eat the cornflakes or the sausage for brekkie, jacket pots for lunch or tea, aren't they letting people down.

Hi WhitbyJet

So sorry to hear of your predicament.

Nothing to add really to the great suggestions you've already had.

Hope all gets sorted

Mary x

Dear Whitby Jet so sorry to hear about your injury, wishing you a speedy recovery and strength to resist the stupidity of the NHS. With best wishes from a fellow Taubist (when is the feast of Bernstein by the way?)

Jane x

Hey Whitbyjet!

You poor thing! I can't really add much to what the others have said but just wanted to show you some support! I often have doctors telling me to get my BG higher - they're a complete nightmare. In your situation, without insulin, you stand absolutely no chance of dying from a hypo. Tell them that stress raises your BG and so you would appreciate it if they would stop stressing you and kindly allow you to manage your diabetes as you are an expert in that! Hopefully your stay in there won't be too long.

Take care and keep smiling.

Smidge

Hi there WJ - lots of hugs get better and get out ASAP! :!:

Ohh WJ poor you ....

I know just how you feel - its really scary when you have no one to rely on except the nurses and doctors and you have to either 'make a fuss' which seems to somehow mark you out as 'awkward' or cowtow whereupon you then become the 'ideal' patient.
Just try to stick with your decision - its your choice but if you do come up against the shouty types who only want this for your own good, try to stick to a really simple non inflammatory line to fend them off.

I know its a horrible situation to be in and I hope you can go home soon

sending lots of hugs

Gilly x

Hi WJ
Sorry you are in the hands of the NHS at the moment it is a terrible place to be :thumbdown: I agree with the rest of the sensible people on here ,tell them that you manage your DB very well yourself and your pelvis doesnt need carbs
Chin up CAROL