thanks everyone for all your help... i have learned a bit more which is always a bonus and I quite like the small pots of jelly, and thanks also pollyr.... I must admit I didn't know things like fruit and veg and lots of other stuff contained carbs... i just assumed it was things like rice, bread, pasta, pots... how wrong was I? I hope your doing okay and it is good to hear you feel much better.... like you say, if only you had known earlier.... at least you have it under control now... good luck on the insulin...it can't be easy.... sarnie100.