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Help!!! Vegan Diet and Diabetes

Sammybean

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
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Diet only
I have just adopted a Vegan diet (about a week and a half in) and need some help with developing a meal schedule and determining amount/balance of foods to eat at each meal.

I am also in the process of healing and preventing cancer.

I had planned to do intermittent fasting (16hrs/day) but so far that does not seem to be working and has been resulting in higher BG. Not sure if I just need to give it more time.

Does it take a while for things to balance out after switching to a Vegan diet?

Also...I completed a 3-day fast a couple of days ago...mostly water.
 
Hi @ and welcome to the forum :cat:

I am a vegan with type 2 and saw a significant drop in my levels when I changed last year from veggie to vegan. I eat low carb but don't count carbs. I just avoid the big hitters such as rice, pasta, potatoes, cereal. There are many alternatives which I believe are more nutritious such as courgetti spaghetti, cauliflower rice, cauli/celeriac/turnip mash.

I still eat a little bread. Lower carb vegan breads on the market include Lidl high protein rolls, Tesco high protein loaf and Burgen soya and linseed loaf.

Best get a meter and test how foods affect your blood glucose levels. You may be lucky (like me) and tolerate chickpeas, beans and lentils. Other great choices are nuts, seeds, nut butters, plant milks, yogurts and ice cream (little bit). Seitan is low carb, Tofu, some Quorns are now vegan, many supermarket minces and burgers, several Linda McCartney foods, Fry's, Taifun. Search Sainsbury's for Gary.

And loads of vegetables of course! The ones that grow above ground are best, but test the others. Test fruit too. Berries and rhubarb are often well tolerated.

Here are a few links which may be useful

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/weekly-meal-plan-the-low-carb-vegan-menu/

https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/vitamins-minerals-and-nutrients

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/vegetarian-diet-forum.71/
 
Hi @Sammybean ,
welcome to the forum, @daisy1 will be able to give you lots of helpful advise.

The vegetarian and vegan forum might be helpful http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/vegetarian-diet-forum.71/

In my experience I find using my meter and testing any new foods and changes in my diet to see how it affects my blood glucose - sometimes the so called "healthy" foods cause my blood glucose to go very high. Every person is different so you would need to test your own reaction.

Are you counting calories? fat? carbs? protein?
 
Hi @ and welcome to the forum :cat:

I am a vegan with type 2 and saw a significant drop in my levels when I changed last year from veggie to vegan. I eat low carb but don't count carbs. I just avoid the big hitters such as rice, pasta, potatoes, cereal. There are many alternatives which I believe are more nutritious such as courgetti spaghetti, cauliflower rice, cauli/celeriac/turnip mash.

I still eat a little bread. Lower carb vegan breads on the market include Lidl high protein rolls, Tesco high protein loaf and Burgen soya and linseed loaf.

Best get a meter and test how foods affect your blood glucose levels. You may be lucky (like me) and tolerate chickpeas, beans and lentils. Other great choices are nuts, seeds, nut butters, plant milks, yogurts and ice cream (little bit). Seitan is low carb, Tofu, some Quorns are now vegan, many supermarket minces and burgers, several Linda McCartney foods, Fry's, Taifun. Search Sainsbury's for Gary.

And loads of vegetables of course! The ones that grow above ground are best, but test the others. Test fruit too. Berries and rhubarb are often well tolerated.

Here are a few links which may be useful

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/weekly-meal-plan-the-low-carb-vegan-menu/

https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/vitamins-minerals-and-nutrients

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/vegetarian-diet-forum.71/

How often do you eat throughout the day?
 
How often do you eat throughout the day?
At the moment I have the golden milk for breakfast, lunch at work and an evening meal. Trying not to snack after 7.30pm. So no solids between 7.30pm and 12.30 lunchtime. I find I can tolerate carbs better later in the day.
 
@Sammybean

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. There is a link to the Low Carb Program in case you are interested. Ask questions if you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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