Thanks Simon! My thoughts about your final sentence however is that how can I be running out of Levemir at 3 am, when I only took it around 10 pm?Can you show us a graph of BG? Sounds like splitting your evening meal bolus would make sense to avoid the low you get in the middle of the evening. The thing about those lows, is that the food you ate (and dosed for) is still being absorbed and you'll have taken on board more carbs to deal with the low. The result is you end up going high into the evening as supper is digested.
You may well also have a dawn effect rise going on, though the extra rise at say 3am might simply be that your evening bolus has finally been exhausted so there's a BG uptick.
Can you show us a graph of BG? Sounds like splitting your evening meal bolus would make sense to avoid the low you get in the middle of the evening. The thing about those lows, is that the food you ate (and dosed for) is still being absorbed and you'll have taken on board more carbs to deal with the low. The result is you end up going high into the evening as supper is digested.
You may well also have a dawn effect rise going on, though the extra rise at say 3am might simply be that your evening bolus has finally been exhausted so there's a BG uptick.
Oh I see you said bolus may be running out, not basal. My mistake.? Did you mean Basal though??Can you show us a graph of BG? Sounds like splitting your evening meal bolus would make sense to avoid the low you get in the middle of the evening. The thing about those lows, is that the food you ate (and dosed for) is still being absorbed and you'll have taken on board more carbs to deal with the low. The result is you end up going high into the evening as supper is digested.
You may well also have a dawn effect rise going on, though the extra rise at say 3am might simply be that your evening bolus has finally been exhausted so there's a BG uptick.
No I meant the bolus, if your food is still producing glucose while being digested when the bolus runs out (is broken down) you may well then see an uptick in BGThanks Simon! My thoughts about your final sentence however is that how can I be running out of Levemir at 3 am, when I only took it around 10 pm?
So rather than being too much bolus, it could be that I am not having enough Novorapid? And the mid- evening hypos (and sometimes beyond) are simply because conversion to glucose is incomplete at that point in time? So then I treat it, and maybe over-do it...? Or maybe it is the timing of injection and eating time.....that is awry? Gosh, it is SO complicated!!No I meant the bolus, if your food is still producing glucose while being digested when the bolus runs out (is broken down) you may well then see an uptick in BG
If it were me I would split the bolus dose, take part (half?) of it when you usually do, then take the rest perhaps an hour after you've eaten.So rather than being too much bolus, it could be that I am not having enough Novorapid? And the mid- evening hypos (and sometimes beyond) are simply because conversion to glucose is incomplete at that point in time? So then I treat it, and maybe over-do it...? Or maybe it is the timing of injection and eating time.....that is awry? Gosh, it is SO complicated!!
Thank you very much Simon. I will try what you say, and split the bolus!!If it were me I would split the bolus dose, take part (half?) of it when you usually do, then take the rest perhaps an hour after you've eaten.
Hopefully this will stop the low from occurring and also remove the high overnight.
Thank you , eventhorizon, I will bear that in mind!Before using a pump I was on Levemir for years and never worked out a decent basal regime. My DN convinced me to try Tresiba and my overnight levels became a lot smoother and flatter, and only needed one basal shot a day.
Hi Simon,Let us know how you get on tomorrow
Well, Simon, (and anyone else who wants to chip in?!) , tonight I had no dinner and apart from a coffee at around 17.00 hrs without insulin--- when BG was 4.7 -- I have had nothing to eat since early afternoon. (about 14.25 - lunch rather late today), and later my BG went up to 8.9 at 21.35 despite that. That is extremely weird for me. At that point I was so troubled I took 1.5 units of Novorapid to bring it down, and BG is now at 22.23 STILL 8.0... but clearly has gone down a little?Looks like that has avoided the post-supper low and kept you reasonably flat overnight - I realise it's only a single sample point mind you so your interpretation of what's happened may be different (and mine is likely wrong so do tell me!)
If you're happy with treating the dawn phenomenon/foot on the floor rise then all is fine, otherwise I suppose you could perhaps look to increase basal though you'd probably need to go to bed with a higher blood sugar to avoid going low overnight. Other ways of reducing the morning rise are alcohol and exercise (not necessarily together!) the day before.
Some people report (and I think I get the same to some extent) and effect whereby if they don't eat, their livers produce glucose. This is most often reported by T2 diabetics in relation to breakfast and FotF, however, I think it also holds true for those taking insulin, which means that one doesn't necessarily get the expected reduction in BG. Perhaps there's something similar going on here, I don't know.
I've never intentionally skipped meals to do basal tests, if I do skip one it's because I'm doing something else so it's hard to compare my BG response with what is expected for a "standard day". People do these tests though so I wonder if anyone else can chip in to say whether they see "unexpected" rises?
OTOH it's hard to pick apart what might be extra because of no food vs what is usually produced and the effect of different insulin sensitivity. If you can manage it, it would be interesting to see what happens overnight and then make a decision about adjusting basal and timing of any required correction bolus.
FWIW your numbers look good and are in range, I think if you can avoid mid-evening low (e.g. split dose) and deal with the morning rise with a bolus and just try this out for a while you may find it works, and you may also find that external factors change what happens. Best to get a week or more's worth of vaguely repeatable behaviour under your belt before starting to fiddle with basal rates or thinking about doing other exciting things like splitting basal.
But please everyone else out there with some thoughts please chip in!
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?