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<blockquote data-quote="Brunneria" data-source="post: 1152832" data-attributes="member: 41816"><p>The whole suppressing-insulin issue is a right royal pain in the a*rse. I am looking at it now, in a speculative attempt to lose more weight myself.</p><p></p><p>We (T2s) seem to have 3 main factors re insulin levels (prob many more!) which kick in (i am assuming carb reduction is already achieved)</p><p>- insulin resistance (drops through exercise, fasting, keto eating)</p><p>- hormone imbalances, mainly thyroid, cortisol and insulin (tackled through diet, medication, lifestyle such as stress reduction and getting more sleep)</p><p>- background insulin - which we all have, but T2s and the obese have more than nonT2s and slim ppl - tackled through keto and fasting</p><p></p><p>Working on all of these will lower hormone (insulin) resistance leading to reduced insulin production</p><p></p><p>I seem to have hit a wall with LC weight loss (after a loss of 20 pounds in 10 months of keto eating), due to a combo of the things listed above and high insulin resistance. Sigh.</p><p>Am v happy with my bg control (below pre-D), but the weight wont drop due to insulin resistance.</p><p></p><p>So am planning a multi pronged attack. </p><p>Still in info gathering phase, Fung and Eric Berg being main info sources at the moment.</p><p></p><p>Fung's book discusses in depth the hormone/insulin situation and quotes the most amazing studies on how to reduce insulin production, with all the attendant health benefits. The book is called 'The Obesity Code' but he should really have called it 'The Insulin Code' although that probably wouldn't have sold it as well. </p><p></p><p>I am convinced that while <strong><em>suppressing</em></strong> insulin is a bad idea, reducing insulin production by<em><strong> creating an environment where v little insulin is needed</strong></em>, is the key to my situation, and is doable. Most people find low carb enough. Some people find keto enough. A few need fasting too. A very few (yay! i am a special little snowflake) need to rope in the Big Guns of all of those, plus some extra hormonal work too. At which point the knock on reduction in insulin resistance should permit further weight loss.</p><p></p><p>Of course, the real issue is the insulin resistance, not the weight - so this thinking applies to any T2 with insulin resistance - which brings me back to the idea of why weight gain is well nigh impossible until you get your insulin production down and your insulin resistance drops. And why weight loss is only possible when the same thing happens...</p><p></p><p>Hope that made sense. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brunneria, post: 1152832, member: 41816"] The whole suppressing-insulin issue is a right royal pain in the a*rse. I am looking at it now, in a speculative attempt to lose more weight myself. We (T2s) seem to have 3 main factors re insulin levels (prob many more!) which kick in (i am assuming carb reduction is already achieved) - insulin resistance (drops through exercise, fasting, keto eating) - hormone imbalances, mainly thyroid, cortisol and insulin (tackled through diet, medication, lifestyle such as stress reduction and getting more sleep) - background insulin - which we all have, but T2s and the obese have more than nonT2s and slim ppl - tackled through keto and fasting Working on all of these will lower hormone (insulin) resistance leading to reduced insulin production I seem to have hit a wall with LC weight loss (after a loss of 20 pounds in 10 months of keto eating), due to a combo of the things listed above and high insulin resistance. Sigh. Am v happy with my bg control (below pre-D), but the weight wont drop due to insulin resistance. So am planning a multi pronged attack. Still in info gathering phase, Fung and Eric Berg being main info sources at the moment. Fung's book discusses in depth the hormone/insulin situation and quotes the most amazing studies on how to reduce insulin production, with all the attendant health benefits. The book is called 'The Obesity Code' but he should really have called it 'The Insulin Code' although that probably wouldn't have sold it as well. I am convinced that while [B][I]suppressing[/I][/B] insulin is a bad idea, reducing insulin production by[I][B] creating an environment where v little insulin is needed[/B][/I], is the key to my situation, and is doable. Most people find low carb enough. Some people find keto enough. A few need fasting too. A very few (yay! i am a special little snowflake) need to rope in the Big Guns of all of those, plus some extra hormonal work too. At which point the knock on reduction in insulin resistance should permit further weight loss. Of course, the real issue is the insulin resistance, not the weight - so this thinking applies to any T2 with insulin resistance - which brings me back to the idea of why weight gain is well nigh impossible until you get your insulin production down and your insulin resistance drops. And why weight loss is only possible when the same thing happens... Hope that made sense. :) [/QUOTE]
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