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Having to forswear foods I have loved all my life.
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On the contrary, intermittent fasting stimulates the metabolism and affects the body in a completely different way from constant low calorie diets. See this for more detailed info: https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/caloric-reduction-vs-fasting-part-9/
People who have a lot of excess fat, like myself, need to burn it off to get slimmer. The best way of doing it is to go on a LCHF diet, and/or Intermittent Fasting (disclaimer: unless you're on insulin, in which case you can still try both but under medical supervision). Ketones from burning fat are not dangerous, as long as your blood glucose is low. This type of ketosis is not the same as ketoacidosis, which happens when blood glucose is uncontrollably high and cannot be utilised by the body so it starts to break down the healthy tissues.
Now, @KimG , I believe you have to find the answers to your questions yourself. I personally don't feel great fasting 2 days in a row, whilst other people enjoy that. Some people eat up to 500 calories per day on a fasting day, others not at all. A third option is to skip one meal, eg. breakfast, and have a normal lunch and dinner. I recommend you check out more of the blog I quoted above, and read M. Mosley's Fast Diet. Good luck!
Totally your choice Cat but I am certainly not leaving my fate to the poor advice from NHS that is now proven to have caused the increase in obesity and t2.
Mep - I disagree with you. Fasting the correct way DOES have lots of benefits to our bodies, but again, your choice. Until our medics start to review the dietary advice, I am keeping well away...When I was on the expert course, they advised us to snack on dried fruit. When I pointed out how wrong that was, because dried apricots had FIVE TIMES AS MUCH SUGAR as the whole fruit, I was shunned for it despite me having the sugar values to hand. And regarding ketones - unless you're type 1 you don't have to worry about it.
I believe our destiny lies in our own hands and we need to be part of finding the solution. Next thing you'll be agreeing with the 'expert medical professions' is not testing the impact of foods....utter rubbish.
Also Jason Fung speaks total sense. Why treat the symptoms and not the disease? That's what the medical profession do because they follow pharmaceutical research. No one wants to find a study in low carbing because no money is to be made there.
when I'm having discussions with my medical team.
Thanks for the link. I am now struggling with the concept of fasting (if anyone of a religion which includes periods of fasting is reading, I would be interested to know if their requirements match those in the PDF).
Thanks for the link. I am now struggling with the concept of fasting (if anyone of a religion which includes periods of fasting is reading, I would be interested to know if their requirements match those in the PDF).
To me, fasting is going without all food and only drinking water and black tea/coffee.
In the PDF I read that when fasting I can have as many cups of coffee with cream as I like and broth made from vegetables (didn't see any ban on root vegetables such as parsnips either).
This seems more like a low calorie limited food types detox than a true fast.
It certainly does not meet the requirements for fasting before a blood test.
I almost lost the will to live reading Google searches about fasting but the term seems to have at least two meanings; firstly giving up all food (and sometimes also water) and secondly giving up one more food types. I read that in Christianity giving up meat is considered fasting, so presumably vegetarians are permanently fasting. Some diets popular here might also be considered permanent fasts as they exclude specific foods or food groups.
So can I suggest that for clarity we talk about partial fasting and total fasting? I would certainly find this less confusing.
Thanks for the link. I am now struggling with the concept of fasting (if anyone of a religion which includes periods of fasting is reading, I would be interested to know if their requirements match those in the PDF).
To me, fasting is going without all food and only drinking water and black tea/coffee.
In the PDF I read that when fasting I can have as many cups of coffee with cream as I like and broth made from vegetables (didn't see any ban on root vegetables such as parsnips either).
This seems more like a low calorie limited food types detox than a true fast.
It certainly does not meet the requirements for fasting before a blood test.
I almost lost the will to live reading Google searches about fasting but the term seems to have at least two meanings; firstly giving up all food (and sometimes also water) and secondly giving up one more food types. I read that in Christianity giving up meat is considered fasting, so presumably vegetarians are permanently fasting. Some diets popular here might also be considered permanent fasts as they exclude specific foods or food groups.
So can I suggest that for clarity we talk about partial fasting and total fasting? I would certainly find this less confusing.
I must say you are lucky to have a Medical team to talk to. Most of us using the NHS struggle to even get an appointment, and when you do the GP will have no interest in having a discussion.
To me, fasting is going without all food and only drinking water and black tea/coffee..............
So can I suggest that for clarity we talk about partial fasting and total fasting? I would certainly find this less confusing.
If you're considering fasting for weight loss it is probably the worst thing you can do for yourself because fasting slows down your metabolism which means you're triggering your body to preserve energy and it will use your fat to keep you going. That in itself is bad because it produces ketones in your urine. If you're hospitalised and they find high ketones in your urine as a diabetic they force you to eat to prevent ketoacidosis which is extremely serious (this can happen for any diabetic on meds or insulin, aka: DKA) It's really bad for your system basically. To lose weight you need to keep your metabolism firing and not slow it down. So it could be that you just need to review your fat & carb intake and see if that needs adjusting to help you lose the weight. But if you're fasting for a test or surgery then you would follow the advice of your endocrinologist or the relevant doc. For me I'm usually told to halve my basal dosage the night before.
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