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How do I Fast?

Eating breakfast seems logical.
If you starve your body whilst active it can go into panic mode because it thinks the food suply has run out. If you then eat a big meal just before you hunker down for the evening/night your body is more likely to store the food away as fat because it has lower immediate energy demands.
If you eat before your most active time of the day then your body should burn the calories immediately instead of storing them overnight.
A lot of truth in the old saying "Breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dine like a pauper.".
 
There is a lot of new research saying the opposite about eating Breakfast.

I have found that eating an evening meal and then not eating again until the following evening is the easiest way, as when you wake up you are already nearly Half way there. You can then make a choice about how to proceed, during the rest of the day.
 
On the contrary, intermittent fasting stimulates the metabolism and affects the body in a completely different way from constant low calorie diets. See this for more detailed info: https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/caloric-reduction-vs-fasting-part-9/

People who have a lot of excess fat, like myself, need to burn it off to get slimmer. The best way of doing it is to go on a LCHF diet, and/or Intermittent Fasting (disclaimer: unless you're on insulin, in which case you can still try both but under medical supervision). Ketones from burning fat are not dangerous, as long as your blood glucose is low. This type of ketosis is not the same as ketoacidosis, which happens when blood glucose is uncontrollably high and cannot be utilised by the body so it starts to break down the healthy tissues.

Now, @KimG , I believe you have to find the answers to your questions yourself. I personally don't feel great fasting 2 days in a row, whilst other people enjoy that. Some people eat up to 500 calories per day on a fasting day, others not at all. A third option is to skip one meal, eg. breakfast, and have a normal lunch and dinner. I recommend you check out more of the blog I quoted above, and read M. Mosley's Fast Diet. Good luck!


I did myself no favours when I was notorious for skipping meals prior to being diagnosed with diabetes.... I'd just gain weight quicker when I ate again. I don't agree with fasting for weight loss and agree with dietary advice given to me by my dietician. Also I've been in hospital sick as a dog and not eating and being forced to eat because of high ketones... so if they force you to eat there's good reason for it.... high ketones is not good for diabetics. I wouldn't miss meals these days without discussion with my medical team.... I have enough problems going on. Actually my number one advice to anyone changing their eating habits is to speak to their medical team first.
 
Totally your choice Cat but I am certainly not leaving my fate to the poor advice from NHS that is now proven to have caused the increase in obesity and t2.

Mep - I disagree with you. Fasting the correct way DOES have lots of benefits to our bodies, but again, your choice. Until our medics start to review the dietary advice, I am keeping well away...When I was on the expert course, they advised us to snack on dried fruit. When I pointed out how wrong that was, because dried apricots had FIVE TIMES AS MUCH SUGAR as the whole fruit, I was shunned for it despite me having the sugar values to hand. And regarding ketones - unless you're type 1 you don't have to worry about it.

I believe our destiny lies in our own hands and we need to be part of finding the solution. Next thing you'll be agreeing with the 'expert medical professions' is not testing the impact of foods....utter rubbish.

Also Jason Fung speaks total sense. Why treat the symptoms and not the disease? That's what the medical profession do because they follow pharmaceutical research. No one wants to find a study in low carbing because no money is to be made there.
 
Totally your choice Cat but I am certainly not leaving my fate to the poor advice from NHS that is now proven to have caused the increase in obesity and t2.

Mep - I disagree with you. Fasting the correct way DOES have lots of benefits to our bodies, but again, your choice. Until our medics start to review the dietary advice, I am keeping well away...When I was on the expert course, they advised us to snack on dried fruit. When I pointed out how wrong that was, because dried apricots had FIVE TIMES AS MUCH SUGAR as the whole fruit, I was shunned for it despite me having the sugar values to hand. And regarding ketones - unless you're type 1 you don't have to worry about it.

I believe our destiny lies in our own hands and we need to be part of finding the solution. Next thing you'll be agreeing with the 'expert medical professions' is not testing the impact of foods....utter rubbish.

Also Jason Fung speaks total sense. Why treat the symptoms and not the disease? That's what the medical profession do because they follow pharmaceutical research. No one wants to find a study in low carbing because no money is to be made there.


We don't all have to agree with each other.... you do what works for you that is what matters. :) Also if you check this site you will see that DKA isn't just for type 1's.... type 2's can also get DKA. I'm on insulin anyhow with other medical conditions so I more than likely am different to you. But anyone changing diet should be speaking to their docs... especially if they have a chronic condition or several. I don't take advice from people on forums as they're not medical professionals, although I do read about what others experience and take that into account when I'm having discussions with my medical team.
 
You can take another injection called Victoza. It is very good for weight loss and its just 1 injection every morning. It also stops hunger pangs. Works very well.
 
when I'm having discussions with my medical team.

I must say you are lucky to have a Medical team to talk to. Most of us using the NHS struggle to even get an appointment, and when you do the GP will have no interest in having a discussion.
 
I used to skip breakfast and lunch for years.
Looking back, it was the worst thing I could do.
I was eating carbs at the time, and used to fall head first into stodge and cr*p when I couldn't stand the hunger any more.
It did terrible things to me, and knocked my blood glucose off balance all the rest of the day.

Now I am low carbing, and fast sensibly, in a controlled manner, that suits my body, I think it is a fabulous thing.
Feel great.

So I totally agree that it is a good thing, but needs to be done with understanding, and following sensible advice - such as that given by Jason Fung.
 
Thanks for the link. I am now struggling with the concept of fasting (if anyone of a religion which includes periods of fasting is reading, I would be interested to know if their requirements match those in the PDF).
To me, fasting is going without all food and only drinking water and black tea/coffee.
In the PDF I read that when fasting I can have as many cups of coffee with cream as I like and broth made from vegetables (didn't see any ban on root vegetables such as parsnips either).
This seems more like a low calorie limited food types detox than a true fast.
It certainly does not meet the requirements for fasting before a blood test.
I almost lost the will to live reading Google searches about fasting but the term seems to have at least two meanings; firstly giving up all food (and sometimes also water) and secondly giving up one more food types. I read that in Christianity giving up meat is considered fasting, so presumably vegetarians are permanently fasting. Some diets popular here might also be considered permanent fasts as they exclude specific foods or food groups.

So can I suggest that for clarity we talk about partial fasting and total fasting? I would certainly find this less confusing.
 
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Thanks for the link. I am now struggling with the concept of fasting (if anyone of a religion which includes periods of fasting is reading, I would be interested to know if their requirements match those in the PDF).
To me, fasting is going without all food and only drinking water and black tea/coffee.
In the PDF I read that when fasting I can have as many cups of coffee with cream as I like and broth made from vegetables (didn't see any ban on root vegetables such as parsnips either).
This seems more like a low calorie limited food types detox than a true fast.
It certainly does not meet the requirements for fasting before a blood test.
I almost lost the will to live reading Google searches about fasting but the term seems to have at least two meanings; firstly giving up all food (and sometimes also water) and secondly giving up one more food types. I read that in Christianity giving up meat is considered fasting, so presumably vegetarians are permanently fasting. Some diets popular here might also be considered permanent fasts as they exclude specific foods or food groups.

So can I suggest that for clarity we talk about partial fasting and total fasting? I would certainly find this less confusing.

I get you.
I try to explain (when I remember) that I am doing a 16/8 fat fast. But then you still have to explain what that means...

Fung's fasting is specifically designed for T2s with insulin resistance, so he restricts the carbs and protein, to prevent impact on glucose. (and he is american or canadian, so has probably never encountered the sublime gloriosity of a parsnip)
 
Thanks for the link. I am now struggling with the concept of fasting (if anyone of a religion which includes periods of fasting is reading, I would be interested to know if their requirements match those in the PDF).
To me, fasting is going without all food and only drinking water and black tea/coffee.
In the PDF I read that when fasting I can have as many cups of coffee with cream as I like and broth made from vegetables (didn't see any ban on root vegetables such as parsnips either).
This seems more like a low calorie limited food types detox than a true fast.
It certainly does not meet the requirements for fasting before a blood test.
I almost lost the will to live reading Google searches about fasting but the term seems to have at least two meanings; firstly giving up all food (and sometimes also water) and secondly giving up one more food types. I read that in Christianity giving up meat is considered fasting, so presumably vegetarians are permanently fasting. Some diets popular here might also be considered permanent fasts as they exclude specific foods or food groups.

So can I suggest that for clarity we talk about partial fasting and total fasting? I would certainly find this less confusing.


I'm a christian and I don't fast food wise. It is totally up to the individual whether they fast or not and how they do so. And you're right, fasting of food is usually only water and clear liquids allowed.... I've done this several times for tests and procedures. But when I say I fast without food I mean that I give up something I would normally do everyday for a set period and devote that time to prayer. So technically yes you could fast from meat in your diet for example, equally you could not watch a tv program or read or whatever. Some religions probably have some rules... depends I suppose. But that's what I do and I don't do a lot of it anyhow.
 
I must say you are lucky to have a Medical team to talk to. Most of us using the NHS struggle to even get an appointment, and when you do the GP will have no interest in having a discussion.

Sorry to hear that. Here it is all part of the process... we have clinics we attend. I was diagnosed at a young age and diagnosed with 2 hormonal conditions on the same day too so I've always had an endocrinologist involved in my treatment.
 
To me, fasting is going without all food and only drinking water and black tea/coffee..............

So can I suggest that for clarity we talk about partial fasting and total fasting? I would certainly find this less confusing.

Your definition differs from mine. A lady further up the thread has already said that she does not include water in her fasts. I would not drink tea/coffee if fasting for a medical test. So I don't think we need to talk of partial or total fasting as even that is not 100% defined, unless you just want us to use your definition. Most people reading this forum will quickly gather that there is IF going on. If they have any questions, they will ask as the OP has done. I don't see a problem.
 
If you're considering fasting for weight loss it is probably the worst thing you can do for yourself because fasting slows down your metabolism which means you're triggering your body to preserve energy and it will use your fat to keep you going. That in itself is bad because it produces ketones in your urine. If you're hospitalised and they find high ketones in your urine as a diabetic they force you to eat to prevent ketoacidosis which is extremely serious (this can happen for any diabetic on meds or insulin, aka: DKA) It's really bad for your system basically. To lose weight you need to keep your metabolism firing and not slow it down. So it could be that you just need to review your fat & carb intake and see if that needs adjusting to help you lose the weight. But if you're fasting for a test or surgery then you would follow the advice of your endocrinologist or the relevant doc. For me I'm usually told to halve my basal dosage the night before.

Big difference between being an insulin dependent T2 diabetic and otherwise. It's a key difference when it comes to any dietary management of T2D, as far as I understand. Yes absolutely, you need to be medically supervised if you are insulin dependent and considering fasting as a treatment method of your T2D.

Otherwise - dealing with days without food entirely or much less food is a natural part of our physical makeup, and we have the ketones that kick in when fasting to prove it - and is a perfectly natural and healthy part of our physical makeup.

I too was raised with the idea that metabolism is badly affected by fasting and calorie restriction. I am now quite convinced it is otherwise by seeing other's experience, noting my own experience, and reading the science behind the idea that fasting is a natural way to boost your health and good for us particularly as diabetics.

I personally like the metaphor of our bodies being like a dual-fuel engine - that uses both glucose and fat for energy, and we actually switch from one to the other, dependent on how many carbs our body has access to (both immediately accessible as food and in storage in our cells).

But understood even for un-insulin-dependent diabetics being anxious about ketoacidosis. This is where monitoring your fast with BG meter readings, and ketostix (I go budget! But some have a blood ketone reader) comes in. I never engage my poor old diabetic body in any experiment with food and non-food, without paying close attention to it! With BG readings, and now, with regular no-food fasts - with ketostix. (I should be so lucky to worry about my BG going so low! Or my ketones going so high! Sigh.)

As for what to eat and drink @KimG - there is so much on this online - in this forum included. And Dr Fung has posted very involved fasting for diabetes articles that are quite wonderful. 5:2 diet books - get them out from the library? Until you know you might want to own one of them. Otherwise water only, herb teas, tea and coffee if you are a drug addict like I am! (Hey! Life as a diabetic is hard enough! That's my reasoning and I'm sticking to it.) Making sure you drink plenty of water and liquid so you don't get dehydrated. We don't die of hunger for many many many many days. But we can die from lack of water rather earlier! Just a note.

As for comfort - yep - that differs hugely amongst different folk. I think everyone who has every read me during low calorie dieting (I still can't believe I did that for two whole months - gee!), and then, various fasting, knows I have never been comfortable doing either, and hunger never goes for me. But I would prefer that to taking medications, as that is just a personal preference as to sources of pain! :). And as everyone says - you just need to go for it and try and see for yourself!

And if you are at all anxious - absolutely - be supervised by your medical centre/doctor/diabetes nurse.
 
I actually started fasting just the other day, I was inspired by Debmcgee's thread and I have found it great. I do have one coffee n cream in the morning and one at 12 and I feel great. It is definately worrh giving it.a.go.
 
If I am unwell then I don't eat for two or three days as long as I drink water I am ok and of course I might be able to have the odd cup of tea. The body is a wonderful machine that copes with any situation. Mind you I must add I do not take my diabetes tablets at this time.
 
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