How does it make sense? (Meds) Type 2

blackboxes · Friday at 12:33 AM

1) In my understanding with insulin resistance sometimes insulin won't work as in my case. So to me it doesn't seem logical to give it to a type 2. And insulin is a fat storage hormone so if weight makes such a huge difference as they teach then why give a med that makes u gain more weight?

2) if type 2 diabetes can be described as having a too high insulin level, And that high levels can cause more problems then how does it make sense to give meds that increase your insulin output when u eat? If you already have too much.

3) how does it make sense to prescribe any med that can cause weight gain?

4) if too much weight is such a big factor then why does losing weight not make an improvement in everyone with type 2?

5) if weight is such a big factor than why are there highly active , eating healthy normal healthy weighing people getting type 2?

These are some of the things that make it hard for me to believe the diabetes education

KennyA · 2026-11-14T00:01:06+0000

blackboxes said:
1) In my understanding with insulin resistance sometimes insulin won't work as in my case. So to me it doesn't seem logical to give it to a type 2. And insulin is a fat storage hormone so if weight makes such a huge difference as they teach then why give a med that makes u gain more weight?

2) if type 2 diabetes can be described as having a too high insulin level, And that high levels can cause more problems then how does it make sense to give meds that increase your insulin output when u eat? If you already have too much.

3) how does it make sense to prescribe any med that can cause weight gain?

4) if too much weight is such a big factor then why does losing weight not make an improvement in everyone with type 2?

5) if weight is such a big factor than why are there highly active , eating healthy normal healthy weighing people getting type 2?

These are some of the things that make it hard for me to believe the diabetes education

The issue for T2s is insulin resistance, not the overall amount of insulin. Insulin resistance generally means that naturally produced insulin isn't sufficient to overcome resistance, but if more is added that can be countered. The problem is that adding more insulin can of itself increase insulin resistance. It's like pushing the button with the weak spring. You have to push it harder and harder, but each time you push it, you make the spring weaker, so it means pushing even harder next time.

T2 is not about "having too high an insulin level" - that may be a consequence but it's not (afaik) the cause. If the individual goes on eating more and more carb or glucose, then he/she has to choose between taking the additional insulin that will help lower the elevated glucose, which includes storage as body fat, or decide to live with elevated blood glucose and all the physical damage that results.

The media presents a picture that implies weight is the crucial factor and that people who are fat become diabetic. It's actually the other way round. People who are diabetic become fat. The evidence for this is that most fat people are not diabetic. Almost all T2 people are fat. I only became fat in the years after I became diabetic - weight gain was/is a symptom, not a cause. Some T2s do not get the weight gain symptom, just as some T2s do not get neuropathy. So losing fat/weight might not make a difference. For many of those of us who go low carb/keto, losing fat/weight follows some way behind achieving normal blood glucose. In my case, I had normal blood glucose within weeks, long before I'd lost any significant weight.

The problem with the "official" advice is that the "healthy eating" recommendation (which I do not recognise as being remotely "healthy" in any way) is to base all meals around carbohydrates. It's well known that carbohydrate intake is the single biggest influence on blood glucose. But the orthodox health authorities cannot admit that the "healthy eating" advice is both wrong and positively harmful for many of us. Which is why we're here on this forum.

blackboxes · 2026-11-14T06:02:06+0000

KennyA said:
The issue for T2s is insulin resistance, not the overall amount of insulin. Insulin resistance generally means that naturally produced insulin isn't sufficient to overcome resistance, but if more is added that can be countered. The problem is that adding more insulin can of itself increase insulin resistance. It's like pushing the button with the weak spring. You have to push it harder and harder, but each time you push it, you make the spring weaker, so it means pushing even harder next time.

T2 is not about "having too high an insulin level" - that may be a consequence but it's not (afaik) the cause. If the individual goes on eating more and more carb or glucose, then he/she has to choose between taking the additional insulin that will help lower the elevated glucose, which includes storage as body fat, or decide to live with elevated blood glucose and all the physical damage that results.

The media presents a picture that implies weight is the crucial factor and that people who are fat become diabetic. It's actually the other way round. People who are diabetic become fat. The evidence for this is that most fat people are not diabetic. Almost all T2 people are fat. I only became fat in the years after I became diabetic - weight gain was/is a symptom, not a cause. Some T2s do not get the weight gain symptom, just as some T2s do not get neuropathy. So losing fat/weight might not make a difference. For many of those of us who go low carb/keto, losing fat/weight follows some way behind achieving normal blood glucose. In my case, I had normal blood glucose within weeks, long before I'd lost any significant weight.

The problem with the "official" advice is that the "healthy eating" recommendation (which I do not recognise as being remotely "healthy" in any way) is to base all meals around carbohydrates. It's well known that carbohydrate intake is the single biggest influence on blood glucose. But the orthodox health authorities cannot admit that the "healthy eating" advice is both wrong and positively harmful for many of us. Which is why we're here on this forum.

Thanks. No one ever explained that to me.

KennyA · 2026-11-14T10:55:27+0000

blackboxes said:
Thanks. No one ever explained that to me.

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as a source of basic factual information - more accurate and up to date than you'll get on the DCUK website. Diet doctor has a subscription offer but I've never used it - there's tons of free advice and guides.

blackboxes · 2026-11-14T15:21:18+0000

KennyA said:
I'd really recommend this website

Diet Doctor — Making Low Carb and Keto Simple

How do you start a keto or low-carb diet? We have delicious recipes, amazing meal plans, the best keto videos, and a supportive low-carb community to help dramatically improve your health. Welcome to Diet Doctor, where we make low carb simple.

www.dietdoctor.com

as a source of basic factual information - more accurate and up to date than you'll get on the DCUK website. Diet doctor has a subscription offer but I've never used it - there's tons of free advice and guides.

Thanks

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