HUNGRY SCARED TO EAT

Squire Fulwood · Oct 11, 2013

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sandysan said:
I have had a look at that site and im shocked at the fat u can eat ... it seems unbelievable and altho id like to try it I am scared to try it ,, incase I put on weight ,,

A few weeks ago I read Dr. Briffa's book and he says that unless you eat protein and fat then you can't lose weight. It seems that the hormone that removes fat from fat cells is only generated in response to eating protein and fat.

Sadly, although insulin has the ability to put triglycerides into fat cells it does not have the ability to take it out again. Hence overweight diabetics.

douglas99 · Oct 11, 2013

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Squire Fulwood said:
sandysan said:

I have had a look at that site and im shocked at the fat u can eat ... it seems unbelievable and altho id like to try it I am scared to try it ,, incase I put on weight ,,

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A few weeks ago I read Dr. Briffa's book and he says that unless you eat protein and fat then you can't lose weight. It seems that the hormone that removes fat from fat cells is only generated in response to eating protein and fat.

Sadly, although insulin has the ability to put triglycerides into fat cells it does not have the ability to take it out again. Hence overweight diabetics.

"unless you eat protein and fat then you can't lose weight"

So if you are in a third world country on a bowl of rice a day, you get fat, as that's usually a no protein, and no fat diet?

I've been low fat for 4 months, and lost 3 stones,

Calorie deficit equals weight loss.

Calorie surplus equals weight gain.

I've not found any serious low carb diet that suggests you can, and should, gorge on fats.

Squire Fulwood · Oct 12, 2013

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douglas99 said:
"unless you eat protein and fat then you can't lose weight"

So if you are in a third world country on a bowl of rice a day, you get fat, as that's usually a no protein, and no fat diet?

Or in Belsen, a point not lost on me either. I think that in a third world country they don't have enough rice to make fat as well as provide energy. The Belsen thing is what I am having trouble with. If you eat nothing at all, what then.

Not that I am suggesting that.

Squire Fulwood · Oct 12, 2013

I just had a quick scan through the book for a quote. There may be a better quote buy I did find this.

"Low-fat diets are ineffective for weight loss.

Insulin is the key driver of fat accumulation in the body."

"Fat can be highly effective at sating the appetite, at least in part because eating it helps facilitate the release of fat from the fat cells, which can then be used to supplement the diet.

Diets most effective for sating the appetite and bringing a spontaneous reduction in food intake are those that are relatively rich in protein and fat, and restricted in carbohydrate."

Credit: Dr. Briffa.

I had better not quote any more since I will end up copying the entire book.

douglas99 · Oct 12, 2013

"Diets most effective for sating the appetite and bringing a spontaneous reduction in food intake are those that are relatively rich in protein and fat, and restricted in carbohydrate."

This is something I would whole heartedly agree with.

First and foremost, a diet that reduces food intake.

Reducing food intake is key, even on my diet, it's 800 to 1200 calories a day, I wouldn't call it low carb, but as 50% of a normal diet is carbs, that's 500 calories at 4 calories a g, so 125g of carbs a day on average.
As I'm diabetic, I avoid bad carbs for me, as I'm also on a "healthy" diet I avoid potatoes, rice, pasta, etc. Classic slimmer's diet really, lots of "good" veg.

So I guess I could be low carb by default.
But definitely no fat.
Muller light yoghurt, dry frying, no salad dressings, minimal red met, no bacon, sausage etc.

And I can say categorically, you lose weight without fat.
3 stone so far since May.

As to feeling hungry, I'm on a diet, so I would expect to sometimes. Not feeling hungry for 50 years got me to where I was.

"Insulin is the key driver of fat accumulation in the body."

That one is something I could do with more of, I seem to be fat without enough insulin.

sandysan · Oct 12, 2013

i saw my dietician last week who told me to eat high carbs for energy , i told her that if i done that my bs would go up , so i wasn't to happy with what she told me to do , but i came home and had some bread with my food and surely enuff it went high and took about 3 hours to come back down to what i call a good level , in the 5s,
my diet is getting a bit boring tho , as i don't eat any fat , but i have started to have a couple of pieces of grilled bacon some days on the lunch time , and lots of mushrooms , i heard mushrooms are extremely good for you ,

douglas99 · Oct 12, 2013

sandysan said:
i saw my dietician last week who told me to eat high carbs for energy , i told her that if i done that my bs would go up , so i wasn't to happy with what she told me to do , but i came home and had some bread with my food and surely enuff it went high and took about 3 hours to come back down to what i call a good level , in the 5s,
my diet is getting a bit boring tho , as i don't eat any fat , but i have started to have a couple of pieces of grilled bacon some days on the lunch time , and lots of mushrooms , i heard mushrooms are extremely good for you ,

I have

Lean meat, chicken, fish, I avoid processed foods like bacon, sausage.
Quorn
Lots of veg.
Mushrooms
Salads.
Plums.
A lot of dry spices, chili, herbs,

Stir frys (dry fried)
Oven baked sliced sweet potatoes, and squashs, sal and pepper, garlic, maybe a spray of 1 cal.

Still interesting, and I enjoy cooking.

IanD · Oct 16, 2013

Nuts to you .... Dr Briffa explains all:

Why does adding ‘calorific’ nuts to the diet not usually cause weight gain

Much of our thinking about weight control has been dictated by the calorie principle – the idea that our body weight is determined by the balance of calories taken into and burned by our bodies. Within this overarching concept, calorific foods tend not to be favoured. One food that falls foul here is nuts. Just 100 g of almonds contains close to 600 calories. According to conventional wisdom, then, regular eating of nuts can easily put out calorie balance into the black [excess Kcals], which will then be reflected as increasing body weight.

However, while this may make sense, the reality is that studies do not generally link nut-eating with weight gain. In fact, some studies suggest that nuts may actually help weight control [1].

There are several potential explanations for this, including the fact that nuts will not tend to cause much upsurge in blood levels of sugar and subsequently insulin – a key fat storage hormone.

Moreover, another potential factor at play here concerns the effect of nuts on appetite and hunger. The relevance of this relates to the fact that some foods are more satisfying than others. The more satisfying a food is, the less we will tend to eat of it, and the less we may eat of other foods too.

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