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I can't even work a bicycle pump...

Bluemarinejosephine

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Hello everyone,
I hope you are very well.


Recently, my doctor suggested to take me to a pump (in an attempt to control my <2 hypos).
Can I have your advice and suggestions? The ones who use a pump, are you happy with it?
The ones who tried it and went back to the pens, what is it that you didn’t like about the pump?


How did you transition from the pen to the pump?
I am very interested to read your views and your stories.


Thank you
Josephine
 
Hi @Bluemarinejosephine, Thank you for your question !
## I have edited the answer first I first posted it!!
At the 45 year mark on insulin I was suffering from night hypos despite lots of testing and 8 + insulin injections per day.
Being stubborn and fiercely independent I had warded off what I saw as the dependency-forming aspect of insulin pumps for ages but now had to admit defeat. Also pumps are a bit like mobile phones, full of technology but the basics are often all one needs and help is readily available to deal with more complex matters which only rarely arise.
Since starting on an insulin pump 6, nearly 7 years ago I have not looked back. Without the pump, the hypos would have led to me losing my driver's license, curtailing my employment and suffering an even more rapid decline in my intelligence !!
Also, on one occasion I stopped breathing during a particularly severe hypo so I owe my continued life to the diligence and action of my wife and since then also the use of the pump. My HBA1Cs have been around the 48 mark since and hypos are much, much reduced.
Pumps consist of a hollow block of metal/plastic containing the reservoir/syringe of insulin and a pushing device to push the insulin from syringe into a needle or tube and needle as described below (think of it as a miniaturised insulin pen) plus a mini-computer with screen and sometimes buttons (instead of keys) or there is a separate tablet/mobile device that controls the mini-computer. The syringe/reservoir is attached either directly to a needle which is placed through the skin or to a tube which is linked to a needle insert device some length away from the pump. In common parlance the former is called a tubeless pump and the latter, a 'tubey' pump.
If you read the threads on the Insulin pump forum you will see discussions of the pros and cons of tubeless vs tubey pumps.
How one acquires a pump will depend on which country you live in, sometimes to do with health insurance cover , and always the high jumps or suitability criteria for being prescribed an insulin pump. I assume you are living in the UK so will let your fellow citizens advise you. Down under in Australia we have some different rules.
The change over procedure from multiple injections to the pump was straight-forward for me. I think being on Levemir as my long-acting insulin helped as this insulin does not take a long time to wear off completely compared to insulins like Lantus (? up to 48 hours) and Toujeo, Tresiba (? 72 hours).
I hear from others that the longer it takes for the previous insulin to wear off the longer before the pump's insulin regime can be sorted.
I use Novorapid insulin in my pump. Others will be prescribed another short-acting insulin. (no long-acting insulin is used)
The so-called basal rate of the pump, where small amounts of short-acting insulin are programmed to be injected slowly under the skin over time 24/7 is designed to deal with any predicted changes - such as the Dawn Phenomenon(DP), see the home page and under Type 1 diabetes for an explanation. This beats being on multiple insulin injections and having to wake at say, 4 am, to inject some insulin. The amount of basal or background insulin required can vary during the day and night. It is the skill of the prescriber initially to 'scuplt' the rate of insulin infused per hour (as the basal rate). This is not something that can be done anywhere near as accurately with a single or twice daily dose of a long-acting insulin.
Also the pump can be programmed manually to lower or raise the basal rate to deal with exercise or stress. E.G. I reduce my basal rate by say, 20% for 4 hours to allow for walking 30 minutes to the shops, shopping, and carrying shopping home; for an exciting movie (= adrenaline provoking) I increase my basal rate 10 to 20 % for several hours. (as the glucose release from my liver due to the effect of adrenaline ups the BSL unless extra insulin is there to control the level.) My insulin requirements go up 30 % + for 4 to 5 days following my annual 'flu injection, so I can increase my basal rate plus bolus amount to cope with this.
Bolus doses are calculated by the pump's computer 'brain' according to some guessimate at how one's BSL responds to a given amount of carbohydrate per unit of insulin. This is something your pump prescriber will initiate and you then discuss any alterations based on response. The amount of insulin for X grams of carbohydrate at breakfast can vary from that required to achieve satisfactory 2 hour after meal for the evening meal. So one may have several settings of carbs counted vs insulin given. Similarly the pump has settings to help with working out how much insulin to give as a dose to correct a high BSL. My pump also has an 'insulin on board' feature to prevent frequent multiple doses of short-acting insulin building up and causing hypos.
Some brands of pump also support what is called Continuous Glucose Monitoring (CGM). Since Australia does not subsidise the expense of CGM except for those T1Ds under 21 years of age (and I am grateful the Government at least does that) I tend to call it CEM (Continuous Expense Monitoring). CGM is very useful in particular situations, but independent monitoring systems are available too, again a some cost. In the UK it may be that in particular situations a person's CGM costs are paid for. CGM is achieved by a separate device much smaller than the pump being placed on the skin with a needle residing under the skin. The BSL is checked with a glucose meter twice daily to calibrate the levels measured by the device in the tissue under the skin vs the blood level. Newer devices may not need the finger-prick levels done. One brand of pump has a feature which when used with CGM will reduce the basal infusion rate if the BSL gets too low.
Tricks and traps: pumps have there own quirks and need for caution. It is not just a matter of 'set and forget'.
Sometimes pumps malfunction and need replacement. To know more please look up the thread in the Insulin Pump forum called "Preparing for Failure".
Also they can run out of insulin, or battery power at inconvenient times. To cater for both failure and loss of supply (insulin or power) I try to prevent problems by changing a pump's insulin supply early to avoid an away from home run out and I regularly carry with me, short and long acting insulin (complete failure means going back to multiple injections whilst waiting a day or two for a replacement pump), (short acting plus spare syringe/reservoir and needle inset/tube to do a refill of syringe/reservoir etc), spare battery or battery charger and I always have my glucose meter kit topped up with test strips as I need to test before eating a meal so that I can calculate how much insulin to bolus in for that meal) That overall emergency kit/baggage is more than I used to carry when on multiple insulin injections!. (of course jelly beans or similar are always part of the kit)
Sometimes a needle insert (think a 'port' that persons receiving chemotherapy have but much simplified and very easy to place if you are used to giving yourself injections) and under the skin, not in a vein) goes in bent, or bends during use, or leaks - leading to less insulin is infused and thus to an unexpected high BSL. Alarms signalling partial obstruction of the needle do not always work. This has happened a number of times to me and the only sure solution is, if in doubt change the needle insert.
When the pump is not providing enough insulin the short-acting insulin wears off much more quickly than if you stopped your short and long-acting insulin on a multiple dose regime. I get sicker quicker, ketones form more quickly so I have to be extra vigilant.
On some pumps the battery connection can fail. There is no alarm for this as the alarms all work off the battery, Again vigilance and regular replacement of battery caps prevents this.
I remove my pump for things like showering/washing, short time of swimming and for sexual activity. You cannot do this easily with tubeless pumps.
Overall I love my tubey pump. (affectionately called Limpet). I know of some who find the pump too intrusive, or react to the adhesives and cannot tolerate any alternatives so there are not a panacea for all T1Ds.
## Compared to riding a bicycle ?
If you can use the basic functions on a mobile phone, give an injection, do carbohydrate counting, are prepared to do regular glucose monitoring with a meter (CGM as a luxury type item), not fussed by depending on a pump instead of multiple injections - there is every chance you can hand an insulin pump.
I hope the above helps and that you can gleam more from other posts and the forum and threads.
Please keep asking questions as you go.
 
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Hi Josephine,
I have only been on a pump for about 8 months. It's a game changer for me, always struggling with Hyper and Hypo. They are very simple to use even an idiot can use one (I'm living proof). I put it off for years as I didn't like the concept of being tethered like a dog on a leash. It's no big deal, I quickly adapted to it and I'm not aware of it being there unless I want it, ot it wants me (I have CGM attached and if you enable the hypo function for my pump Medtronic 640g it will stop insulin supply and complain when you are too Low. I think every Insulin Dependent person should be put onto a pump and if they don't like it they can go back to playing pin cushions. I'm in Australia and the process maybe different in the UK, but while I went through a few bureaucratic hoops. The pump nurse let me play with a pump (not connected to me, she got me to insert a catheter and had to wear it for 3 days. Went back a few weeks latter I agreed to go ahead, another run through and another catheter. Waited over Christmas, the pump came in I went through everything again and walked out with a pump connected. A number of follow up visits with ever increasing gaps between the visits. When at home I can get the carb count really accurate and it works like magic for most of the time, when out I have a good guess and keep adjusting as required. I have never gone over 20mmol/l since on the pump and rarely over 15mmol/l. On MDI my meter was really friendly and would frequently say HI to me as well as LO. I have never had a really bad Hypo on the pump (It is still quite possible to do so), the great thing is you are only balancing one insulin and it has a life of max 4hrs, which means if something goes wrong it can happen fast. The advantage is, slow release of fast acting is similar to the real process and you only have one insulin (with it's quirks) to deal with instead of 2 and they do conspire to get their friend Mr Hypo to visit all too frequently. I do have one big regret with the pump and that is I didn't do it years ago.
 
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My favourite thing about the pump is basal insulin control. I have successfully managed to stop low blood sugars and restore blood glucose to optimal range by temp basal off when a low occurs without having to take any external glucose.
 
I am probably a bit late to this topic but wanted to add my few cents.

Like others, I was resistant to having something attached to me all the time.
It wasn't until someone very kindly explained the ability to change basal than I started to see the light.
The final decider was when my diabetes team mentioned I could give it back if I didn't like it - I was not making a change forever (unless I wanted to).

The basal change is the best thing. It allows me to
- have different basal rates at different times of the day to manage predictable things like Dawn Phenomenon
- have different basal rates when I am doing different things like when exercising
- quickly change my basal rates. This was particularly helpful when I was ill recently. With injections, I would increase my basal, wait a few days to see if it was enough, increase it again, wait more time, ... by which time, I was feeling better. With the pump, I was able to change the basal and then only wait a couple of hours to see if I had it right.

The bolus options are also useful so I don't need to double dose when I eat fatty meals like pizza.
And, talking of eating, it is, generally, easier to use when eating out.

Unfortunately, there are a couple of downsides for me:
- I am not a very big person and I like to wear tailored, well fitting (not skin-tight lycra) clothes. This means, for most of my outfits, you can see my pump. It is either outside my clothes (like hanging off my belt) or causing a bulge (s much for tailored and well fitting). Sometimes, I attach it to my upper thigh when I wear a skirt or dress. It cannot be seen but bang goes the option to easily dial up a dose when eating out unless I want to yank my dress up in public. I know others have much less problems than I do. I suspect this is a combination of size, dress taste and how much we care about hiding our diabetes.
- there is more paraphernalia to carry around. If the pump works fine, you need less stuff. However, if it breaks, you need back up. This happened to me recently and was quiet distressing because I didn't have a back up with me. When this happens during injection, you have no bolus but you probably have some basal on board so have time to sort it out. With a pump, once it stops, you have no insulin of any type.

All that said, for me, the positives out way the negatives and I am still attached after two and a half years.
 
Hello everyone,
I hope you are very well.


Recently, my doctor suggested to take me to a pump (in an attempt to control my <2 hypos).
Can I have your advice and suggestions? The ones who use a pump, are you happy with it?
The ones who tried it and went back to the pens, what is it that you didn’t like about the pump?


How did you transition from the pen to the pump?
I am very interested to read your views and your stories.


Thank you
Josephine
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Josephine, I can't work a bike pump despite numerous tutorials by my husband, but I love my pump and of necessity have learned how to use it. Like anything it took a while to get used to changing the cartridge* and batteries but my pump (Roche) like the others comes with a help line 24/7 and UK based.
I am partially sighted and found my first pump tricky to manage e.g. spotting air bubbles in the tubing so got my husband to do it but the 2nd (another Roche) has cartridges* rather than a re usable insert filled from a bottle, so is very easy to change every 3-4 days or so.
I go to a type 1 social group and most of us are on pumps and nobody would change back to pens (range of ages, gender and technical ability !).
 
Hello everyone,
I hope you are well.
Thank you very much for your replies.

Can I ask you please, has any of you had an allergic reaction to the adhesive and what did you do?
The reason I ask is that I use the Freestyle Libre and the skin allergy to the adhesive is horrible... It is impossible for me to use the Freestyle Libre without the Compeed trick (using Compeed as a barrier between the sensor and my skin). In this way, I manage to minimize the skin surface that suffers from the burn that is caused by the adhesive... so... it is a concern for me...

Thank you
Josephine
 
My favourite thing about the pump is basal insulin control. I have successfully managed to stop low blood sugars and restore blood glucose to optimal range by temp basal off when a low occurs without having to take any external glucose.

Hello, thank you for your reply.
So, in the case of a hypo, we don't need to "feed" our insulin, we just reduce the flow?
Thank you.
 
Hi @Bluemarinejosephine, Has your query been answered or do you have any further concerns or questions about insulin pumps , bicycles or anything else??

Hello, thank you so much for your detailed reply.
You devoted a lot of your time to me for this and I am grateful to you.

So, if I understand correctly, in a very simplified interpretation (like I am a 5-year-old...) we have a continuous flow of insulin through the pump and we adjust the rate as often/when needed.

If my understanding is correct when you make an adjustment, how quickly do you see the result? For example, when you watch a film that is exciting for you and you raise your insulin to counteract your adrenaline that pushes your blood sugar level higher, how quickly do you see your bg level balancing back?

Do they bleed? (I use the Freestyle Libre and, it happened to me on two occasions, that I started to bleed through the sensor... and it was unpleasant and stressful to me because there was a flow of blood coming through the sensor, not just a few drops... Since then, everytime I am about to insert a new sensor, I take a few deep breaths... just in case it happens again...)

I am sure I will come up with more questions... Thank you for your patience.
Josephine
 
Hi Josephine,
I have only been on a pump for about 8 months. It's a game changer for me, always struggling with Hyper and Hypo. They are very simple to use even an idiot can use one (I'm living proof). I put it off for years as I didn't like the concept of being tethered like a dog on a leash. It's no big deal, I quickly adapted to it and I'm not aware of it being there unless I want it, ot it wants me (I have CGM attached and if you enable the hypo function for my pump Medtronic 640g it will stop insulin supply and complain when you are too Low. I think every Insulin Dependent person should be put onto a pump and if they don't like it they can go back to playing pin cushions. I'm in Australia and the process maybe different in the UK, but while I went through a few bureaucratic hoops. The pump nurse let me play with a pump (not connected to me, she got me to insert a catheter and had to wear it for 3 days. Went back a few weeks latter I agreed to go ahead, another run through and another catheter. Waited over Christmas, the pump came in I went through everything again and walked out with a pump connected. A number of follow up visits with ever increasing gaps between the visits. When at home I can get the carb count really accurate and it works like magic for most of the time, when out I have a good guess and keep adjusting as required. I have never gone over 20mmol/l since on the pump and rarely over 15mmol/l. On MDI my meter was really friendly and would frequently say HI to me as well as LO. I have never had a really bad Hypo on the pump (It is still quite possible to do so), the great thing is you are only balancing one insulin and it has a life of max 4hrs, which means if something goes wrong it can happen fast. The advantage is, slow release of fast acting is similar to the real process and you only have one insulin (with it's quirks) to deal with instead of 2 and they do conspire to get their friend Mr Hypo to visit all too frequently. I do have one big regret with the pump and that is I didn't do it years ago.

Hello and thank you for the time that you devoted to giving me your detailed reply.
Please, can I ask you? Do we get to choose our pump? Or are the hospitals under contract with specific pharmaceutical brands and we are, therefore, limited to a specific pump that is prescribed to us?

Thank you
Josephine
 
I am probably a bit late to this topic but wanted to add my few cents.

Like others, I was resistant to having something attached to me all the time.
It wasn't until someone very kindly explained the ability to change basal than I started to see the light.
The final decider was when my diabetes team mentioned I could give it back if I didn't like it - I was not making a change forever (unless I wanted to).

The basal change is the best thing. It allows me to
- have different basal rates at different times of the day to manage predictable things like Dawn Phenomenon
- have different basal rates when I am doing different things like when exercising
- quickly change my basal rates. This was particularly helpful when I was ill recently. With injections, I would increase my basal, wait a few days to see if it was enough, increase it again, wait more time, ... by which time, I was feeling better. With the pump, I was able to change the basal and then only wait a couple of hours to see if I had it right.

The bolus options are also useful so I don't need to double dose when I eat fatty meals like pizza.
And, talking of eating, it is, generally, easier to use when eating out.

Unfortunately, there are a couple of downsides for me:
- I am not a very big person and I like to wear tailored, well fitting (not skin-tight lycra) clothes. This means, for most of my outfits, you can see my pump. It is either outside my clothes (like hanging off my belt) or causing a bulge (s much for tailored and well fitting). Sometimes, I attach it to my upper thigh when I wear a skirt or dress. It cannot be seen but bang goes the option to easily dial up a dose when eating out unless I want to yank my dress up in public. I know others have much less problems than I do. I suspect this is a combination of size, dress taste and how much we care about hiding our diabetes.
- there is more paraphernalia to carry around. If the pump works fine, you need less stuff. However, if it breaks, you need back up. This happened to me recently and was quiet distressing because I didn't have a back up with me. When this happens during injection, you have no bolus but you probably have some basal on board so have time to sort it out. With a pump, once it stops, you have no insulin of any type.

All that said, for me, the positives out way the negatives and I am still attached after two and a half years.

Hello, thank you very much for your reply.

I completely understand what you mean about the change of the basal rate during the day (and during the month).
I, also, experience the same... there are times during the month that my body is so receptive to insulin that my Novorapid ratio can be 1:1-1 while, there are other times when I have to use a 2:1 and, still, my background insulin doesn't feel enough...

Thank you
Josephine
 
Can I ask you please, has any of you had an allergic reaction to the adhesive and what did you do?
The reason I ask is that I use the Freestyle Libre and the skin allergy to the adhesive is horrible... It is impossible for me to use the Freestyle Libre without the Compeed trick (using Compeed as a barrier between the sensor and my skin). In this way, I manage to minimize the skin surface that suffers from the burn that is caused by the adhesive... so... it is a concern for me...
I am not sure I had an allergic reaction but when I first started pumping, I found the cannula itched so was prescribed SkinTac to use as a barrier. This reduces the itching.
It is worth noting that the cannula is changed more often than the Libre. the recommendation is to change it every 3 or 4 days; I change mine every 2 days to stop the itching.

Do we get to choose our pump? Or are the hospitals under contract with specific pharmaceutical brands and we are, therefore, limited to a specific pump that is prescribed to us?
This varies per CCG.
Some people seem to have a choice whereas, when I got my pump, the choice was Animas Vibe or injections. The Animas is no longer available so I understand the choice is now Medtronic 670g or injections.

If my understanding is correct when you make an adjustment, how quickly do you see the result? For example, when you watch a film that is exciting for you and you raise your insulin to counteract your adrenaline that pushes your blood sugar level higher, how quickly do you see your bg level balancing back?
The speed is the speed of the fast acting insulin.
I use NovoRapid and find it takes about 60 to 90 minutes to see a change.
So, I would need to plan the movie rather than changing my basal when I get scared/excited. I would be more likely to adjust my basal for something I know is going to happen such as exercise or feeling tense when I have a difficult meeting.

So, in the case of a hypo, we don't need to "feed" our insulin, we just reduce the flow?
Due to the speed at which our insulin works, we still need to "feed" our insulin when we hypo. Adjusting basal when we actual hypo is too late.
However, due to being able to adjust basal in advance, we are less likely to experience hypos when, for example, we exercise.

Do they bleed?
Very very very rarely.
Just like when we inject, we may insert the cannula into an area where the blood is closer to the surface. But it is rare.
 
I’d second the being able to head off a hypo by turning it off - if I’m heading towards 4, I just turn off the tap for half an hour, and it’ll come back up in half an hour or so. I find Novorapid starts to work in 15-20 minutes, and the effects of stopping the flow kick in just as fast. Obviously if you’ve got a lot of IOB, you’d need glucose, but I eat very low carb (so take correspondingly minuscule doses), so can usually deal with it this way. Maybe a 3g dextrose tab or two if I’ve gone into the 3s.
 
I’d second the being able to head off a hypo by turning it off - if I’m heading towards 4,
I have disabled that function as at least twice a week the pump and sensor fail to communicate for up to an hour. By knowing it's not working I'm just that bit more careful.
 
Hello and thank you for the time that you devoted to giving me your detailed reply.
Please, can I ask you? Do we get to choose our pump? Or are the hospitals under contract with specific pharmaceutical brands and we are, therefore, limited to a specific pump that is prescribed to us?

Thank you
Josephine
I can't comment about the UK, but in Australia it appears that most Pump educators are aligned with Medtronic, and I would have had to have gone looking to find support for another brand. Call the company of the brand you want and they will send you in the correct direction. It's a shame you can't take a few brands for a test drive first. When people change brands here they are normally comparing 4 year old technology with what they have now which is not a good comparison, I'm not aware of any company that has the same model 4 years latter. The 2 main brands appear to be Insulet Omnipod and Medtronic MiniMed, Omnipod - the pumps is stuck on to you, so no tubing to get tangled and the other is MiniMed with tubing. There are pros and cons with both types of pumps.
 
Hello, thank you so much for your detailed reply.
You devoted a lot of your time to me for this and I am grateful to you.

So, if I understand correctly, in a very simplified interpretation (like I am a 5-year-old...) we have a continuous flow of insulin through the pump and we adjust the rate as often/when needed.

If my understanding is correct when you make an adjustment, how quickly do you see the result? For example, when you watch a film that is exciting for you and you raise your insulin to counteract your adrenaline that pushes your blood sugar level higher, how quickly do you see your bg level balancing back?

Do they bleed? (I use the Freestyle Libre and, it happened to me on two occasions, that I started to bleed through the sensor... and it was unpleasant and stressful to me because there was a flow of blood coming through the sensor, not just a few drops... Since then, everytime I am about to insert a new sensor, I take a few deep breaths... just in case it happens again...)

I am sure I will come up with more questions... Thank you for your patience.
Josephine
Hi @Bluemarinejosephine, Wow, I really must have slept in as even Chowie who also lives in Australia was streets ahead with answering! So the pump has 3 basic functions:
1) to infuse a basal level continuously set at an hour by hour rate which is usually set and not changed unless there are particular circumstances such as exercise, monthly cycle, excitement, illness, adaption to seasonal change (such as insulin being more quickly absorbed during hot weather). Anticipating the need to change the basal temporarily is better than trying to catch up once the BSL starts bolting away.! But see function (3) below.
2) a bolus dose function used to deal with the anticipated BSL rise due to a meal. The ratio of carbs to insulin is set as experience and pre-meal BSL dictates for that time of day - the ratio may vary between meals. Due to the capacity for some meals to cause a later than expected BSL peak (e.g. pasta, Indian food - peak at ? 2 and one half or 3 hours) there is a split bolus dose option say 70% at meal time and 30% 1 or 2 hours later. This bolus dose is put in manually by the user pushing buttons etc.
3) a bolus dose as a correction of a higher than accepted BSL, based on an insulin sensitivity factor (units of insulin per 1 mmol/l BSL) Again this is a manual operation. An insulin on board program (IOB) keeps track of how many corrections and meal bolus doses have occurred over time so that the risk of injecting too often and having the effect of insulin building up and up leading to hypos. How quickly and well a correction dose works depends on many factors - is the sensitivity factor appropriate, the cause of the high BSL ( adrenaline released during stress, excitement etc takes 2 hours plus to reach a peak in me) but usually for my BSL to start heading downward takes 90 minutes in me.
Added to this, depending on pump brand, are the CGM, and in one brand so far, the ability of a low BSL level to trigger a stay of insulin infusion. There are so called closed loop systems which are programmed to automatically put in insulin based on the readings of the CGM. Some people with the technical experience have devised their own systems for doing this.
As other respondents have said, they manually stop the pump for a time during a hypo.
Short-acting insulin's effect on a diabetic's BSL varies from person to person. So adaptions are made. Those that find their insulin's peak effect appears to be at 2 and one half hours after injection may choose to deliver this say, 30 minutes or so before the meal so that the peaks of insulin action and BSL rise match better. Similarly when reducing insulin for exercise the duration and effect of the insulin needs to be balanced against what that individual's response to exercise is. My BSL tends to go up in the first hour or so of exercise so it is important to not have any insulin reduction making this worse. For another person exercise may not change their BSL in that same time, or in a third, their BSL may drop. With experience on the pump each person finds out what is the best regime for him/her. The pump's ability to be adjusted to suit any of the above scenarios is one of its beauties.
In the Insulin Pump Forum there are many threads on one pump brand vs another and about choices. As others have said, in the UK the choice may be quite limited, depending on economic and other factors. Quality of service, low failure and repair rate, size, tubeless vs tubey all come into it. Reading blogs about the pros and cons one brand vs another may help but there are sometimes conflicting results - one user hates the pump, another praises it.
 
Hello,
I hope you are all very well.
Thank you very much for your replies. :happy:
I do hope you decide to stick around here, you are such a polite, gracious and appreciative lady. You have plenty of good company here. The females that have responded to your thread and there are a number more are amazing ladies. I apologise for the guys here, as I can assure you we are no ladies at all...
 
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