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I found a new book to read

I just got John Yudkin's "Pure, whiete and Deadly" from the library. It's riveting. How did Ancel Keys ever come to supercede Yudkin as the diet guru? there's no comparison :twisted:
 
hanadr said:
I just got John Yudkin's "Pure, whiete and Deadly" from the library. It's riveting. How did Ancel Keys ever come to supercede Yudkin as the diet guru? there's no comparison :twisted:

Hi Hana,

Quite simple really. Keys was an American radio and tv personality with a huge popular following, Yudkin was a comparatively unknown British academic. It appears they were not the best of friends:
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/ ... -keys.html
 
I'm about half way through the Yudkin. It's not only informative, but very readable. Answers loads of questions too, all with back up. Is polite about Keys, but makes it clear Yudkin thought he was wrong.( with evidence)
 
I wish I could keep my eyes open long enough to read a book. I have a pile of books on my bedside cabinet, including Gary Taubes 'The Diet Delusion', which have sat there for months, unread. I only read in bed but am always so tired that when I climb into bed,I don't even finish a page because as soon as my head touches the pillow, I'm asleep.At this rate I'll finish my books in 2020!!!
 
I read Taubes in the American edition, before it came out here. It's well worth it.
being retired has its benefits. I do get to read
 
I like the bit about the "French Paradox":

In the case of the French paradox, it may not be the dietary nutrients that keep the French healthy (lots of saturated fat and alcohol?!) so much as the dietary habits: small portions, no seconds or snacking, communal meals – and the serious pleasure taken in eating. (Worrying about diet can’t possibly be good for you.) Let culture be your guide, not science.

Its not a paradox however and neither is it a contradiction. You see the more saturated fat you eat the less partially hydrogenated oils you will eat and therefore you will be less susceptible to the trans-fatty acid poisoning of pancreatic beta cells AKA type 2 diabetes.

Last summer I conversed with a French diabetes researcher (lets call her doctor 'f'). She was appalled by what was happening to her countrymen. They were being advised to consume oils such as rapeseed and sunflower oils which are commonly partially hydrogenated and therefore full of the artificial trans isomer form oils that cause type 2 diabetes. The doctors were trying to make the same killing that they are making in the UK and USA. Diabetes will be on the up and up in France as a result of this false medical advice. She like me regards all that you see and hear in the mainstream media as lies and propaganda, designed to make money for the doctors and the drug companies, just as it is here.

A typical example surfaced in the media recently when some new research on bis-phenols showed that they could be detected in higher concentrations in people with diabetes and heart disease. The interviwer asked if these might be the cause of diabetes and heart disease to which the researcher being interviewed said it was too early to tell. The subconcious messages should be read: "We don't know the cause of type two diabetes" and "I want another five years research grants". Of course the researcher knows full well that type 2 is but a symptom of trans fatty acid poisoning. He also knows that bis-phenols were introduced into plastic packaging in 1968 and that type two existed in 1967 so bis phenols are not the cause of diabetes. Its a bit obvious really. The real reason that bis phenols occur in people with these conditions is that they are disolved in the partially hydrogenated oils which are commonly packaged in plastic bottles containing the likes of rapeseed and sunflower oils.

To learn more about the truth check out tfx.org.

-J
 
They were being advised to consume oils such as rapeseed and sunflower oils which are commonly partially hydrogenated and therefore full of the artificial trans isomer form oils that cause type 2 diabetes. The doctors were trying to make the same killing that they are making in the UK and USA. Diabetes will be on the up and up in France as a result of this false medical advice. She like me regards all that you see and hear in the mainstream media as lies and propaganda, designed to make money for the doctors and the drug companies, just as it is here.


Apologies in advance, the links to this post are to sources inFrench, but I dislike statements made without evidence.

Why should health advice be a conspiracy to make money? In France ,strangely enough they are proud of their health care and low mortality figures. They don't always follow advice from 'anglo-saxon' sources and for a small country fund a great deal of independent research. Since diabetes costs are 100% paid by the health care system It is a very large expense. For this reason a lot of research funding actually goes into diabetes,heart disease and nutrition. What motivation have they to produce results that will cause harm to the population? iIt is the government that will pick up the bill. Drug companies contribute to this research , through a tax on their advertising expenditure. As to some type of conspiracy for creating more patients for French doctors , can you explain how this would be of benefit them or the system ?

Why not also check actual advise rather than quote an unknown researcher?


Oils are very much part of traditional French cusine and they use many types. French health advice on oils is to vary their use and for the use of colza (rapeseed) to be restricted to seasoning rather than for high temperature cooking.

This is part of an English summary about omega 3 and CVD from Afssa Ithe equivalent of the FSA:

Afssa subsequently recommended setting up a policy aimed at increasing the level of omega-3 fatty acid intake in the French population. With this in mind, promoting the consumption of foods that are naturally rich in omega-3 fatty acids, such as some types of fish and oil (rapeseed, walnut, etc.), could be considered in particular.
Afssa highlights the fact that these cardiovascular disease prevention measures are not based solely on the consumption of omega-3 fatty acids, but also on a varied, balanced diet and the practice of a physical activity.
At home, some oils that are rich in omega-3 fatty acids should not be fried or heated to a high temperature, instead they should preferably be used to season dishes.


and trans fat advice:
Afssa recommends that the value of 2% of total energy intake be considered as a consumption level that should not be exceeded.
( In general,levels of transfat intake in France, except in the case of adolescent boys, is at a far lower level than the US, but 5% of the population exceed the recommended level)

Afssa recommends cutting our consumption of certain foods that contain trans fatty acids (pastries, industrially made breads, chocolate bars, biscuits) of low nutritional value by 30%.
Afssa does not recommend reducing our consumption of milk and dairy products, although they contribute significantly to our total trans fatty acid intake, but preferably to consume skimmed or semi-skimmed products.
Very difficult to link....in the unlikely event of wanting to find more you need to search for huiles omega, it is then possible to find all the official research and advice but mostly on French http://www.europeanip.net/index.htm


and heres a very typical article on oils from the pages of a very popular French womens magazine ( in French) It briefly discusses omega 3, 6 and the difference methods of refining and how they are labelled. It lists virtues and uses of 18 different types of oil.
http://www.topsante.com/Femme/Nutrition ... etats/(num)/1#titre
 
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