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<blockquote data-quote="LittleGreyCat" data-source="post: 1515721" data-attributes="member: 6467"><p>A tangled web.</p><p>The "hole in my bucket" bit is because I seem to be going round in circles at the moment.</p><p></p><p>I think it started with someone saying that drinking alcohol gave you a fatty liver and someone else saying that a fatty liver was the main cause of insulin resistance.</p><p></p><p>I had been enjoying the beer and wine a little too much (plus a wee dram as a nightcap) and had put on a couple of pounds.</p><p></p><p>All this started me wondering how much effect my drinking was having on my weight and BG control.</p><p></p><p>First stage: lay of the booze for a little (but how to define little).</p><p></p><p><strong><em>Second stage: research.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Which turned up this <a href="https://www.dietdoctor.com/insulin-fatty-liver-disease" target="_blank">https://www.dietdoctor.com/insulin-fatty-liver-disease</a> by Dr. Jason Fung.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>NAFLD being Non Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease.</p><p></p><p>Then <a href="https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb-diet-best-fatty-liver" target="_blank">https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb-diet-best-fatty-liver</a>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So far, then, I have that 85% of T2 diabetics have a fatty liver but a low carbohydrate diet can more or less fix that in 6 days. </p><p></p><p><strong><em>I am eating (mostly) LCHF so I'm good, right?</em></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><em>Well, what about the alcohol?</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Here we go:</p><p></p><p>For far more than you ever wanted to know, try <a href="http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/175472-overview" target="_blank">http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/175472-overview</a>.</p><p>Page 3 has</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"></li> </ul><p>I did have a quote for 60g of alcohol per day guaranteeing a fatty liver but I can't find it at the moment.</p><p>However Google shows plenty of quotes which have 60g per day as persistent alcohol abuse.</p><p><a href="https://www.dnalegal.com/blog/what-excessive-alcohol-abuse" target="_blank">https://www.dnalegal.com/blog/what-excessive-alcohol-abuse</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmmmm.....</p><p></p><p>10g of alcohol is approximately 1 UK unit.</p><p>1 bottle of NZ Sauvignon Blanc has 9.4 units or 94 grams so sharing a bottle gets you 47 grams each.</p><p>A bottle of our favourite beer from Lidl has 2.5 units (or 25g)</p><p>A nice big bottle of Leffe (ocassional treat) has 5 units (or 50g)</p><p>So for example on a warm summer day, drinking 3 bottles of Lidl beer over a prolonged period takes you well into the red (over 60g).</p><p>Must have been in the red for {mumble, mumble} of the last {mumble,mumble} days.</p><p></p><p><strong><em><u>Help!</u></em></strong></p><p></p><p>Hang on, do I hear the cavalry?</p><p><a href="http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Liver_disease_(alcoholic)/Pages/Introduction.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Liver_disease_(alcoholic)/Pages/Introduction.aspx</a></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>So two weeks off the sauce and I'm good, right?</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Hang on, I'm doing LCHF which demolishes fat in the liver!</p><p></p><p>Is this 2 weeks for people eating loads of healthy carbohydrates?</p><p>LCHF should cut the time by quite a bit, don't you think?</p><p>I doubt that the studies which resulted in the 2 week timescale included people in nutritional ketosis.</p><p></p><p>Tentative conclusion; to clear any fatty liver cause by excess alcohol consumption (60g or more) I need to avoid alcohol for a period of between 0 and 14 days.</p><p></p><p>Tentative question; "Can I have a drink now, please , Miss?"</p><p></p><p>Speculation; LCHF is the boozer's friend.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LittleGreyCat, post: 1515721, member: 6467"] A tangled web. The "hole in my bucket" bit is because I seem to be going round in circles at the moment. I think it started with someone saying that drinking alcohol gave you a fatty liver and someone else saying that a fatty liver was the main cause of insulin resistance. I had been enjoying the beer and wine a little too much (plus a wee dram as a nightcap) and had put on a couple of pounds. All this started me wondering how much effect my drinking was having on my weight and BG control. First stage: lay of the booze for a little (but how to define little). [B][I]Second stage: research.[/I][/B] Which turned up this [URL]https://www.dietdoctor.com/insulin-fatty-liver-disease[/URL] by Dr. Jason Fung. NAFLD being Non Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease. Then [URL]https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb-diet-best-fatty-liver[/URL]. So far, then, I have that 85% of T2 diabetics have a fatty liver but a low carbohydrate diet can more or less fix that in 6 days. [B][I]I am eating (mostly) LCHF so I'm good, right?[/I][/B] [B][I]Well, what about the alcohol?[/I][/B] Here we go: For far more than you ever wanted to know, try [URL]http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/175472-overview[/URL]. Page 3 has [LIST] [/LIST] I did have a quote for 60g of alcohol per day guaranteeing a fatty liver but I can't find it at the moment. However Google shows plenty of quotes which have 60g per day as persistent alcohol abuse. [URL]https://www.dnalegal.com/blog/what-excessive-alcohol-abuse[/URL] Hmmmm..... 10g of alcohol is approximately 1 UK unit. 1 bottle of NZ Sauvignon Blanc has 9.4 units or 94 grams so sharing a bottle gets you 47 grams each. A bottle of our favourite beer from Lidl has 2.5 units (or 25g) A nice big bottle of Leffe (ocassional treat) has 5 units (or 50g) So for example on a warm summer day, drinking 3 bottles of Lidl beer over a prolonged period takes you well into the red (over 60g). Must have been in the red for {mumble, mumble} of the last {mumble,mumble} days. [B][I][U]Help![/U][/I][/B] Hang on, do I hear the cavalry? [URL]http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Liver_disease_(alcoholic)/Pages/Introduction.aspx[/URL] [B][I] So two weeks off the sauce and I'm good, right?[/I][/B] Hang on, I'm doing LCHF which demolishes fat in the liver! Is this 2 weeks for people eating loads of healthy carbohydrates? LCHF should cut the time by quite a bit, don't you think? I doubt that the studies which resulted in the 2 week timescale included people in nutritional ketosis. Tentative conclusion; to clear any fatty liver cause by excess alcohol consumption (60g or more) I need to avoid alcohol for a period of between 0 and 14 days. Tentative question; "Can I have a drink now, please , Miss?" Speculation; LCHF is the boozer's friend. [/QUOTE]
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