Interesting times on LCHF

Bluetit1802 · Apr 25, 2017

Indy51 said:
Pretty sure the divide between who sees what depends on whether you're using a computer (I see the insulin dependent thingy) and other devices (seem to see just Type 2). @Administrator, @Giverny

I'm on a PC with W7. I don't see the ID status at all. I just see Type 2.

Oldvatr · Apr 25, 2017

Judt changed my profile to say ID T2. Which I can see.

Oldvatr said:
I am on Win10 laptop, and I saw the OP change status fro ID to non ID, so it did differ at my end.

What do you all see now for my avatar? Comments in plain wrappers accepted.

LittleGreyCat · Apr 25, 2017

T2 - well known member (I am resisting the urge to misinterpret the word "member" and draw no doubt unwarranted conclusions).

I am currently logged in on W7 64 bit Pro using Chrome.

Indy51 · Apr 25, 2017

Oldvatr said:
Judt changed my profile to say ID T2. Which I can see.

What do you all see now for my avatar? Comments in plain wrappers accepted.

Insulin Dependent Type 2 (Win8 using Firefox browser).

Brunneria · Apr 25, 2017

I see Insulin Dependent Type 2 for both LittleGreyCat and TraumatisedWetCat
- using a PC on recently updated windows and Google Chrome

Bluetit1802 · Apr 25, 2017

Oldvatr said:
Judt changed my profile to say ID T2. Which I can see.

What do you all see now for my avatar? Comments in plain wrappers accepted.

I see Type 2 - well known member. As before, PC and W7 using chrome.

ALSO, when someone actually is a T2 insulin dependent, such as @satindoll who has ticked the ID box on her profile, I also see just Type 2. I don't see ID on anybody.

Oldvatr · Apr 25, 2017

Thank u

LittleGreyCat said:
T2 - well known member (I am resisting the urge to misinterpret the word "member" and draw no doubt unwarranted conclusions).

I am currently logged in on W7 64 bit Pro using Chrome.

Thank you. I definitely see T2 ID Well known whatsit, for both me and you

(I presume you were thinking Richard Burton and that well known instruction manual)

I would hazard a guess it is not the OS but the browser that is causing this difference, I am Firefoxm but I will try Chrome too

On Chrome I only see T2 with no ID for either of us.
Edit: just had both running side by side, and confirm they are giving different info. Chrome is dropping the ID part, but rest of status remains.

Bluetit1802 · Apr 25, 2017

Well it seems Chrome is the problem, or at least one of the problems. I've just tried Internet Explorer and get the same as I do on Chrome, which is T2 only.

LittleGreyCat · Apr 25, 2017

Oldvatr said:
Thank u

Thank you. I definitely see T2 ID Well known whatsit, for both me and you

(I presume you were thinking Richard Burton and that well known instruction manual)

I would hazard a guess it is not the OS but the browser that is causing this difference, I am Firefoxm but I will try Chrome too

On Chrome I only see T2 with no ID for either of us.
Edit: just had both running side by side, and confirm they are giving different info. Chrome is dropping the ID part, but rest of status remains.

Well, curious times.
On Firefox I see T2 (when not logged in).
I also see T2 when logged in.

Bluetit1802 · Apr 25, 2017

I might add to previous info that I also cleared all my cache and cookies. It made no difference.

LittleGreyCat · Apr 25, 2017

Brunneria said:
I see Insulin Dependent Type 2 for both LittleGreyCat and TraumatisedWetCat
- using a PC on recently updated windows and Google Chrome

As an aside the LittleGreyCat of my User ID became a TraumatisedWetCat last week when she tried a bit of gunwale walking on a narrow boat, tried to turn round half way, then fell into the canal.

Fortunately I was watching and fished her out in double quick time.

She was not impressed with the whole episode.

LittleGreyCat · Apr 25, 2017

Bluetit1802 said:
I see Type 2 - well known member. As before, PC and W7 using chrome.

ALSO, when someone actually is a T2 insulin dependent, such as @satindoll who has ticked the ID box on her profile, I also see just Type 2. I don't see ID on anybody.

Totally confusing.

I am testing with Firefox, logged in and not logged in, and I just see T2 for everyone.
I haven't tested logged out with Chrome yet.

I have selected the first T2 in the list for myself again so the ID bit may have disappeared again.

Brunneria · Apr 25, 2017

LittleGreyCat said:
As an aside the LittleGreyCat of my User ID became a TraumatisedWetCat last week when she tried a bit of gunwale walking on a narrow boat, tried to turn round half way, then fell into the canal.

Fortunately I was watching and fished her out in double quick time.

She was not impressed with the whole episode.

Was this immortalised by a camera? I feel it should have been... poor love. a whole new meaning for worst nightmare.

Sorry folks - I will butt out, and stop luring you all off topic now.

LittleGreyCat · Apr 25, 2017

Doin' me 'ead in.

Just noticed; the web site behaves differently depending on screen size/orientation.

I have a dual monitor with a Full HD one in landscape and a lower resolution in portrait.

The portrait screen behaves the same as my Android tablet.
Just checked and my Full HD tablet behaves differently in portrait and landscape.
I'm being diverted, as usual.

However this does show that Opera Mini under Android doesn't seem to show any T2ID posters in this thread.

Bluetit1802 · Apr 25, 2017

Several of us went through all this before

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/change-of-descriptors.117413/

All the admin staff were tagged at some point, and I sent a PM to @Administrator on 7th March but so far no reply.

Administrator · Apr 25, 2017

Sorry you haven't received a reply. Will look into this with @Giverny and @CaptainWard

Brunneria · Apr 26, 2017

Hi @LittleGreyCat

Just came across this
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
and thought you might find it useful.

Ultramum · Apr 27, 2017

Brunneria said:
Hi @LittleGreyCat

Just came across this
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
and thought you might find it useful.

Wow!

LittleGreyCat · Apr 27, 2017

Brunneria said:
Hi @LittleGreyCat

Just came across this
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
and thought you might find it useful.

"A high TC to high-density lipoprotein (HDL) ratio is the best predictor of cardiovascular risk (hence this calculation, not LDL, is used in recognised cardiovascular risk calculators such as that from Framingham). A high TC to HDL ratio is also a surrogate marker for insulin resistance (ie, chronically elevated serum insulin at the root of heart disease, type 2 diabetes and obesity). And in those over 60 years, a recent systematic review concluded that LDL cholesterol is not associated with cardiovascular disease and is inversely associated with all-cause mortality.8 A high TC to HDL ratio drops rapidly with dietary changes such as replacing refined carbohydrates with healthy high fat foods."

Therin lies the rub.

My HDL/TC ratio is 4.47.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...expert-answers/cholesterol-ratio/faq-20058006 says above 3.5 is bad.

http://www.everydayhealth.com/specialists/cardio/mosca/total-cholesterol-to-hdl-ratio/index.aspx says over 5.0 is bad.

On the other hand:

http://www.docsopinion.com/2014/07/17/triglyceride-hdl-ratio/ says

The Triglyceride/HDL Cholesterol Ratio. What Is Ideal?
The TG/HDL-C ratio can easily be calculated from the standard lipid profile. Just divide your TG by your HDL-C.

However, when looking at the ideal ratio, you have to check if your lipid values are provided in mg/dl like in the US or mmol/L like in Australia, Canada, and most European countries.

If lipid values are expressed as mg/dl (like in the US);

TG/HDL-C ratio less than 2 is ideal

TG/HDL-C ratio above 4 is too high

TG/HDL-C ratio above 6 is much too high

If you live outside the US or are using mmol/L, you have to multiply this ratio by 0.4366 to attain the correct reference values. You can also multiply your ratio by 2.3 and use the reference values above.

If lipid values are expressed as mmol/L (like in Australia, Canada, and Europe);

TG/HDL-C ratio less than 0.87 is ideal

TG/HDL-C ratio above 1.74 is too high

TG/HDL-C ratio above 2.62 is much too high

I think my TG/HDL-C ratio is 0.35 which is pretty **** good.
I did make sure that the test was a fasting one.

As a reminder:

Serum cholesterol 7.95 mmol/L
Serum triglycerides 1.44 mmol/L
Serum HDL 1.78 mmol/L
Cholesterol/HDL ratio 4.47
Serum LDL 5.51 mmol/L

Edit: the first quote suggests a high TC/HDL ratio is indicative of insulin resistance and elevated insulin levels. Perhaps I should have this tested?

Bluetit1802 · Apr 27, 2017

The latest NICE recommendations for assessing CVD risk is to use the Non-HDL amount

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg181/chapter/2-Implementation-getting-started

Non HDL is what it says - Total minus HDL

I got the below levels from somewhere on the internet, but I have lost the link

above 220 mg/dL (5.7 mmol/L) is considered very high
190 – 219 mg/dL (4.9 – 5.6 mmol/L) is considered high
160– 189 mg/dL (4.1 – 4.8 mmol/L) is considered borderline high
130 – 159 mg/dL (3.4 – 4.0 mmol/L) is considered near ideal
below 130 mg/dL (below 3.4 mmol/L) is considered ideal for people at risk of heart disease
below 100 mg/dL (below 2.6 mmol/L) is considered ideal for people at very high risk of heart disease

Heart UK says ideally it should be 4mmol/l or less.
https://heartuk.org.uk/health-and-high-cholesterol/cholesterol-tests---know-your-number

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