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Is it normal to constantly feel hungry?

Please do not concern yourself with such labels as low fat, high carb, low carb etc. Convenient labels is all they are.

Everything is relative anyway! What is low carb to one is high carb to another. If you asked people on this forum how many grams of carb is low carb you would get almost as many different replies as there are people on the forum.

And they would all be irrelevant!

The only thing that should be relevant to you is how many carbs are right for you to keep your blood sugars under control.

Taking a step back for a minute then, I think that what everyone is agreed upon is that in order to control your diabetes what you need to do is introduce lifestyle changes that will allow you to do so and these will include all or a combination of:
- medication as prescribed by your doctor
-increased physical activity
- dietary changes

Medication is strictly a matter for your doctor to prescribe, and for you to stick to as long as you trust it. I consider all medication as a necessary evil, as it introduces the risk of side effects, but I am willing to take it if I consider the risk of not taking it to be higher. Tend to trust older drugs such as metformin more than the latest wonder drugs, the long term safety of which is more uncertain.

Physical activity is also not controversial. If you can increase your physical level of activity then your general health including your blood glucose levels will benefit. Walking is my activity of choice as it can be done anywhere, does not require specialist equipment and is low impact, so unlikely to lead to injury, no matter the level of fitness or how overweight one may be. A pedometer really helps in keeping oneself motivated and setting personal targets. Remember though that the only person you need to better is the person you were yesterday.

When it comes to diet things start to get more controversial, opinions differ and confusion results.

Most nutritionists and the majority of medical practitioners advocate the healthy plate approach whereby diabetics, like the rest of the population, should take meals comprising of carbohydrates, proteins and fats in the ratio of 55/20/25 in terms of calorific intake. A rough guide is that half your plate should be salad/green vegetables, a quarter of your plate should be protein such as lean meat (about the size of a deck of cards) and the last quarter should be carbs such as rice, pasta or potatoes. Fats should be mostly monounsaturated or polyunsaturated plant fats rather than saturated animal fats such as cream and butter.

Some scientists question the validity of the above advise and argue that it is better to reduce the percentage of calories from carbohydrates and, as the percentage from proteins can not be increased much without risking kidney problems, increase the percentage from fats, more controversially saturated fats in order to make up the missing calories.

There are scientific studies to support both theories and I have neither the training nor the inclination to judge which are right.

The latter "theory" known as Low Carb High Fat appears especially attractive to diabetics as it is known that it is carbs that primarily cause blood glucose to rise. Many of the people on this forum are very enthusiastic and vociferous followers.

While almost all agree that you need to reduce carbs to help make control of your sugars easier, the same can not be said about the amount of carbs that you need to reduce carbs by or to.

So what should you do?

You should let your body guide you through your glucose meter. Test your glucose levels early in the morning and before and two hours after each meal and adjust the level of carbs you consume so as keep your after glucose levels within 2 mmol of your before count. Keep at it for a few weeks and you should see an improving trend in your before meal counts as well.

Remember that this is a process that will take time. Do not expect overnight miracles, set yourself achievable targets and do not be disheartened if there are small setbacks along the way.

What is important is to arrive at a diet, exercise and medication regime that is effective for you and that you are happy to stick to in the long run.

I know that this post is very long but I set out to make it as clear as possible, hopefully removing some confusion for the newly diagnosed along the way, and unfortunately I do lot know how to do this using less words!

Final bit of advise is to always keep your spirits up, diabetes is serious, but as long as you respect it, it will not keep you from a full and satisfying life.... And there is so much in this life that makes staying healthy for, worth it.

All the best

Pavlos








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Fantastic balanced unbiased post Pav, best post I have seen on here in many a while, which I could give it more than one like!
 
Hi Steve,

Pavlosn advise is fab, I'm just approaching my 1st year anniversary and although my levels are far better than they were (Ac1 17.9 on diagnosis, last check 7.9) I'm still learning what works for me as opposed to what the NICE recommendations are, and there are days where I think, sod it I can't do this forever I'm eating x,y or z and to hell with the consequenses. Then I think about what could happen to me in the future from the progression in medications to amputation, blindness, neropathy (sic) etc and I get back on that wagon. My uncle was diagnosed as a T1 as a teenager in the 60's and some kind HCP at the time that he probably wouldn't live to be 50! shows how times change he's in his 60's now and although he's had a couple of rounds of laser treatment for his eyes is well controlled and heathly. Don't let your condition control you, control your condition.
 
Give this man a medal!! This just the most comprehensive and unbiased advice regarding how to deal with diabetes - and so succinctly put. Thnik I might frame it and refer to it when I feel the need. Thank you Pavlos


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Oh my, it would appear that soup is certainly off my menu!!! 16.9 an hour after eating a tin of Asda lentil soup!!

I measured 11.3 an hour after 2 slices of whole meal bread toast, but also had a bowl of fruit salad and a mug of coffee with one sugar.

What about that soup though!!


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That is absolutely fantastic advice, thank you Pavlos


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You click on REPLY at the bottom of the relevant quote...

You're spot on. Pavlos always gives good advice. He has a very high ratio of LIKES to messages posted. And from what he says he seems to have a good handle on his Diabetes.

Your soup is a shocker... probably full of sugar lol
 
Try making your own soup, I really like the one from the Newcastle diet sheet. 6 salad tomatoes, 6 red peppers 2 chillies, 3/4 pint veg stock simmer til soft then blitz.

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Try making your own soup, I really like the one from the Newcastle diet sheet. 6 salad tomatoes, 6 red peppers 2 chillies, 3/4 pint veg stock simmer til soft then blitz.

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That sounds delicious, I'm definitely trying that, thank you
 

I agree - try making your own soup, but do also look at the carbohydrate (not just the sugar) content of the ingredients you use. This will help you choose wisely. There are lots of tables on the web that give this information, and I also find the Tesco website is very good at giving you detailed information on most of their products both fresh and processed.

One of my favourite soups is cream of mushroom made with butter and real cream, with some added pre cooked chicken thrown in.

I'm another low carber (I do need to lose a lot of weight) and I find something that definitely helps prevent me from getting hungry is having enough "good" fats with each meal: olive oil, butter, cream, full fat yoghurt,oily fish, etc, and this doesn't stop my much needed weight loss either! I also prefer to eat four smaller meals a day instead of three.

Robbity

PS I agree that Pavlos gives excellent and unbiased information; if I could only read one person's posts, they'd surely be his!!
 
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im not liking pavs post now you all are embarrasing him, awful advice as always pav im feeling a little bad about my ratio of likes now must try harder!
 
Ah what a soup shocker! I knew I had given it up for a reason, but I'm the same with bread too - try not to have it - only as a treat. Have tried making my own soup but I hated it - not much of a cook.

You live and learn - which is why it is important for every person with diabetes to have access to a meter and test strips.
 
Im still diet controlled , low carb and don't feel hungry much. When I ate carbs I could have eaten all day.

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Semiphonic , first thing to do is don't panic . My HCP told me to eat a healthy low fat diet and not test my sugar ,Im diet controlled type 2. I did what I was told and felt ill a couple of hours after eating. I found this forum to be a god send. I bought a monitor and tested . I quickly found which foods I could and couldn't eat. Cereal is a big no , as is bread , pasta, rice, bananas, , oranges and lentils.
I now avoid ( or have very small portions) of these and I have things under control. I don't feel as if Im missing out on anything. Im a chocoholic and have a fredo instead of a mars bar , funny I don't think I could eat a full mars bar now.
I honestly think diabetes is an individualised disease and you will find what works for you , my last 2 Hba1c results were 6.3 and 6.1.

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There certainly seems to be a compelling argument for a low carb diet. Part of my problem is that I'm in hotels a lot due to work, so don't have access to a kitchen every day. I managed to get hold of the nutritional information for all of the dishes in the restaurant today and went for a low carb starter and a low carb main course this evening, I've felt full all evening and more importantly my BG was at 7.7 post dinner (1 hour after eating) and 6.2 an hour after that. 6.2 is the lowest it's been all week. Interesting stuff.
 
You can generalize your bad carbs a bit -
  • avoid all starchy foods - white bread, pasta, rice, flour, root veggies like potatoes. carrots, parsnips
  • avoid very sweet fruits like bananas, grapes, mangoes, and dried fruits
  • and it it goes without saying no sweet drinks, sugar, cakes, biscuits, jam, etc
There's a post here on what to eat in a simplified version of the Atkins diet, which is a good general guide on both good and bad stuff to eat on this type of diet.

Robbity
 
Thanks Robbity I think I'm going to give that a go. I'm not a huge fan of veg but I love salad, so it could still work!


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Wow! those figures are good!
 
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