Is there a difference between glucose extracted from food and Glucose from glycogen

[HICHAM_T2]

Is there a difference between glucose extracted from food and Glucose from glycogen

I think there is a difference The body does not consider glucose to be burned.

Its consumption is slower than glucose extracted from food. I think this is normal


It is unreasonable to extract glucose from the liver to help the body have been burned quickly

And these are some of the measurements yesterday explain what I say the phenomenon of dawn

21:00 BG = 115mg/dl
04:00. BG = 113mg/dl
09:00 BG = 143mg/dl without eating I was sleeping. This is a liver discharge. When will it end? Blood sugar rises by about 6mg/dl

I think the best way to get rid of the liver's inventory is continuous fasting

 

[catapillar]

Glycogen is how glucose extracted from food is stored in the liver and muscles - so there is no difference. They are the same thing. Glucose extracted from food is stored as glycogen and then released from your liver throughout the day and night, or perhaps in a bit of a dump during the morning to wake you up, and released from your muscles when you exercise. Your cells need glycogen to function - yes, even those fully in ketosis will have glycogen stored away, and even if you aren't eating any carbs your body will perform gluconogenesis on proteins and fats eaten to enable it to store some of that created glucose as glycogen - if your aim is to completely clear your liver of glycogen you might as well aim to be dead because your body can't keep going without those glucose stores.

 

[HICHAM_T2]

Glycogen is how glucose extracted from food is stored in the liver and muscles - so there is no difference. They are the same thing. Glucose extracted from food is stored as glycogen and then released from your liver throughout the day and night, or perhaps in a bit of a dump during the morning to wake you up, and released from your muscles when you exercise. Your cells need glycogen to function - yes, even those fully in ketosis will have glycogen stored away, and even if you aren't eating any carbs your body will perform gluconogenesis on proteins and fats eaten to enable it to store some of that created glucose as glycogen - if your aim is to completely clear your liver of glycogen you might as well aim to be dead because your body can't keep going without those glucose stores.

Thank for your information


After each meal, blood sugar rises six hours later to the lowest level.
But this does not happen with the discharge of the liver it continues to rise
So start eating again

 

[ickihun]

I agree with @catapillar . Without food no liver dump. Without food, we die.
Metformin helps with liver dumps and insulin. Which for a type2 is eating breakfast as soon as we rise or a few nuts or cheese which generates insulin which counteracts glucose dumping.
Smaller muscles and none fatty organs can help too.

Or I found a liver block as a fatty protein before sleep which slowly released insulin naturally and counteracted liver dump at dawn.
These liver blocks don't increase IR, well not for me. They reduce my hba1c too if I'm consistant.

So
Encouraging insulin at the right time can make all the difference.
And discouraging insulin at the wrong times helps with IR.

So regular 3 meals but not overeating carbs can be the key.

I personally don't agree with fasting as it gives floods of glucose and starvation which I don't believe helps with longterm diabetes. That's just my belief from starving myself in the past.

Even with bariatric surgery regular eating is needed. Just smaller amounts.

 

[bulkbiker]

Without food, we die.

Well not immediately....

 

[ickihun]

I know fat people who have starved to death, it isn't reserved for thin people.
Ask any eating disorder specialist?

 

[HICHAM_T2]

I agree with @catapillar
I personally don't agree with fasting as it gives floods of glucose

But it is the best and fastest way to get rid of hemoglobin. It will take a long time but in the end you will get rid of the phenomenon of dawn is certain

And will become as normal as anyone with diet

When the level of glycogen in the liver decreases, glucose will not rise significantly

 

[Guzzler]

I know fat people who have starved to death, it isn't reserved for thin people.
Ask any eating disorder specialist?

Starving and fasting are two very different things.

 

[HICHAM_T2]

A day last not address the only one egg during the Twenty-hour i did not feel hungry

 

[Bluetit1802]

But it is the best and fastest way to get rid of hemoglobin. It will take a long time but in the end you will get rid of the phenomenon of dawn is certain

And will become as normal as anyone with diet

When the level of glycogen in the liver decreases, glucose will not rise significantly

The level of glycogen in the liver will never decrease. The liver may be emptied of it but it will fill up again next time we eat in order to keep us alive and out of hypo territory.

The Dawn Phenomenon is caused because the insulin produced is either insufficient to counteract the dump, or because the insulin cannot clear the dumped glucose due to insulin resistance. In non-diabetic people the system works perfectly. The liver secretes glucose to raise levels to a required level, the pancreas secretes insulin which pushes this glucose into the cells for energy, therefore the blood glucose levels remain stable with no noticeable rise. A very delicate balance.

In T2 the system breaks down. Insulin does not push the liver's glucose into the cells, or takes a long time to do this, so blood sugar levels rise to a noticeable level.

In the case of people with insulin resistance, the only way to redress this delicate balance is to get rid of the insulin resistance.

 

[ickihun]

But it is the best and fastest way to get rid of hemoglobin. It will take a long time but in the end you will get rid of the phenomenon of dawn is certain

And will become as normal as anyone with diet

When the level of glycogen in the liver decreases, glucose will not rise significantly

I disagree. You cannot get rid of the liver doing its function without drugs or removal.
The liver can be hypersensitive thou.

 

[HICHAM_T2]

I disagree. You cannot get rid of the liver doing its function without drugs or removal.
The liver can be hypersensitive thou.

But why can not I don't use any medicine and with that, my blood sugar drops to the weakest level every six hours

 

[HICHAM_T2]

The level of glycogen in the liver will never decrease. The liver may be emptied of it but it will fill up again next time we eat in order to keep us alive and out of hypo territory.

The Dawn Phenomenon is caused because the insulin produced is either insufficient to counteract the dump, or because the insulin cannot clear the dumped glucose due to insulin resistance. In non-diabetic people the system works perfectly. The liver secretes glucose to raise levels to a required level, the pancreas secretes insulin which pushes this glucose into the cells for energy, therefore the blood glucose levels remain stable with no noticeable rise. A very delicate balance.

In T2 the system breaks down. Insulin does not push the liver's glucose into the cells, or takes a long time to do this, so blood sugar levels rise to a noticeable level.

In the case of people with insulin resistance, the only way to redress this delicate balance is to get rid of the insulin resistance.

Thank you, Madam, but is there a difference between hemoglobin and liver stock? What I know is that there is no difference and therefore the liver stock takes a long time to fill and a long time to finish even 5.4% Hba1c

 

[catapillar]

This is a new idea to me. My impression was that once glucose goes into muscle cells it tends to be stored as glycogen and stays there until exercise uses it up. I wasn't aware muscles can release glucose, assuming you mean release back into the blood stream. Thanks in advance for any clarification.

Nope glycogen release by the muscles is supposed to be in synchronicity with glucose requirements from the muscles, so it's store within the muscles and released for immediate use by the muscles and doesn't go out into the blood stream - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21190/ . But that process working rather depends upon the cells that require glucose in the muscles having either enough insulin to get the glucose in or enough active GLUT4 receptor pathways woken up by the excercise to get the glucose in. If not, then the glycogen released from the muscles can go out into the blood stream because there is a break in the internal sychronisity. This is why type 1s are advised not to exercise at high blood sugar level because it increases the risk of sugars rising and DKA.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21190/
https://breakingmuscle.com/fitness/understanding-glycolysis-what-it-is-and-how-to-feed-it
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-7793.1999.293af.x/full