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<blockquote data-quote="ziggy_w" data-source="post: 2266359" data-attributes="member: 323454"><p>Thanks for getting back to me, [USER=403497]@Sean_Raymond[/USER]. Great to see that you are generally supportive of low carb.</p><p></p><p>Based on what you describe, it does indeed seem that Paul Mason may not always use the necessary care when constructing arguments and discussing studies. However, I am not sure this would be true for everyone supporting the low-carb WOE for T2s. Have you had a chance to listen to Stephen Phinney, Jeff Volek, David Ludwig and Ben Bikman?</p><p></p><p>As to Ivor Cummins' reaction to the mistakes that Paul Mason apparently made in the presentation (don't mistake me, I am not necessarily doubting what you say, just haven't had a chance to do watch the video and do the research myself), I still wonder why you didn't take this up with Paul Mason rather than Ivor Cummins.</p><p></p><p>I also agree with you that low carbers sometimes seem to be a a bit clanish and very supportive of each other (possibly even to a fault). Maybe this is due to the fact that on the one hand many of us have witnessed amazing results after changing the way we eat while on the other hand we had to make our way without support, often (but fortunately much less frequently nowadays) against advice of HCPs, and were told that the improvements we've seen in health were just anecdotes. Professionals supporting low carb/ketogenic diets such as Tim Noakes and Gary Fettke were even threatened with losing their licences.</p><p></p><p>Don't forget that those of us supporting a low carb/ketogenic WOE are still a very small minority. Thus, maybe the "clanishness" of low carbers might be reflective of this rather than something inherently wrong with people subscriping to this WOE.</p><p></p><p>Just my thoughts on this, though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ziggy_w, post: 2266359, member: 323454"] Thanks for getting back to me, [USER=403497]@Sean_Raymond[/USER]. Great to see that you are generally supportive of low carb. Based on what you describe, it does indeed seem that Paul Mason may not always use the necessary care when constructing arguments and discussing studies. However, I am not sure this would be true for everyone supporting the low-carb WOE for T2s. Have you had a chance to listen to Stephen Phinney, Jeff Volek, David Ludwig and Ben Bikman? As to Ivor Cummins' reaction to the mistakes that Paul Mason apparently made in the presentation (don't mistake me, I am not necessarily doubting what you say, just haven't had a chance to do watch the video and do the research myself), I still wonder why you didn't take this up with Paul Mason rather than Ivor Cummins. I also agree with you that low carbers sometimes seem to be a a bit clanish and very supportive of each other (possibly even to a fault). Maybe this is due to the fact that on the one hand many of us have witnessed amazing results after changing the way we eat while on the other hand we had to make our way without support, often (but fortunately much less frequently nowadays) against advice of HCPs, and were told that the improvements we've seen in health were just anecdotes. Professionals supporting low carb/ketogenic diets such as Tim Noakes and Gary Fettke were even threatened with losing their licences. Don't forget that those of us supporting a low carb/ketogenic WOE are still a very small minority. Thus, maybe the "clanishness" of low carbers might be reflective of this rather than something inherently wrong with people subscriping to this WOE. Just my thoughts on this, though. [/QUOTE]
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