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<blockquote data-quote="Sean_Raymond" data-source="post: 2267092" data-attributes="member: 403497"><p>It is relevant because we are discussing the impact of insulin/blood sugars on appetite and it helps establish the principle that short of hypoglycaemia a large fluctuation in blood sugars in response to the release of insulin does not stimulate appetite. Even if the subjects were insulin resistant why would these results not apply? The changes in glycaemia/effect of insulin would still not be expected to make a person hungry. Indeed, the subject in the insulinoma study says she ate in response to or to avoid a hypo - caused by the abnormal insulin release. This is different to saying they ate because their insulin levels was high.</p><p></p><p>High insulin levels (like high blood glucose) is a signal of satiety and i've not seen any significant body of research showing hyperinsulinaemia initiates hyperphagia (in health or not). If you think it does I'm genuinely interested in seeing the evidence. </p><p></p><p>Nothing said was incorrect regarding Arthritis and nothing was said about its cause, how it progresses or is fixed. You brought up an irrelevant analogy about an 'acute' situation where movement caused pain. This is what I responded to,</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sean_Raymond, post: 2267092, member: 403497"] It is relevant because we are discussing the impact of insulin/blood sugars on appetite and it helps establish the principle that short of hypoglycaemia a large fluctuation in blood sugars in response to the release of insulin does not stimulate appetite. Even if the subjects were insulin resistant why would these results not apply? The changes in glycaemia/effect of insulin would still not be expected to make a person hungry. Indeed, the subject in the insulinoma study says she ate in response to or to avoid a hypo - caused by the abnormal insulin release. This is different to saying they ate because their insulin levels was high. High insulin levels (like high blood glucose) is a signal of satiety and i've not seen any significant body of research showing hyperinsulinaemia initiates hyperphagia (in health or not). If you think it does I'm genuinely interested in seeing the evidence. Nothing said was incorrect regarding Arthritis and nothing was said about its cause, how it progresses or is fixed. You brought up an irrelevant analogy about an 'acute' situation where movement caused pain. This is what I responded to, [/QUOTE]
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