The talking heads currently blame the victims. We blame the bad nutritional science that has been foisted on the people. Ireland is on a collision course for diabesity Armageddon. Someone has to do something about it: http://www.ipcra.org/ireland-leads-the-obesity-epidemic-in-europe
Hun. Only trouble I have is when newspapers quote type2 diabetes is going to bankcrupt the nhs they don't mean by drugs and treatment. They mean being sued for ill advice which has caused death, loss of limbs and sight. All expensive claims.SockFiddler said:Carbohydrates. It's literally a global conspiracy.
This video is fascinating and horrifying at the same time - he's not saying anything new, he's just explaining the science to what has been known for decades. Decades.
These big food companies that hold our "healthy eating" institutions for ransom. We were all so horrified that cigarette manufactures knew their products caused cancer and covered it up, but that's a drop in the ocean compared to the Carb Conspiracy. It absolutely blows my mind.
Anyone know a maverick, dare-devil lawyer? Let's try bringing a case against the Eatwell Plate people and their incredibly well-financed, sugar and carb-producing funders. And I'm not kidding: let's actually do this. We're still being told to eat **** that - it is now demonstrable - will kill you. Even after we've been diagnosed with Diabetes. Even from early age. Crikey, we wean our kids on carbs right from the get-go.
It's got to stop. I mean, just listen to this video - how can there be any doubt at all that carbs are bad for you?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin
Edit: From his own blog:
http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/
Written upon his return from the PHCUK conference in Manchester.
All this good work - even from our wonderful hosts and associates at PHC and diabetes.co.uk - will struggle to take hold unless the loudest (and richest) voices are help to account and silenced.
Hun. Only trouble I have is when newspapers quote type2 diabetes is going to bankcrupt the nhs they don't mean by drugs and treatment. They mean being sued for ill advice which has caused death, loss of limbs and sight. All expensive claims.
I don't want to be involved in bankcrupting the nhs.
I'd fight against it!
Sorry hun.
A heartless person might but it will bring down the nhs, permanently.
Brilliant.But the Eatwell Plate isn't an NHS creation, but (as explored on another thread which I can't currently remember, but suspect it culd have been one of mine) instead is monitored and updated by The British Nutrition Foundation:
https://www.nutrition.org.uk/healthyliving/healthydiet/eatwell.html
These are the people who, last year, thought adults could manage a whole extra 5g of sugar a day, increasing instead of decreasing the recommended daily allowance. Which wouldn't be such a bad thing, until you see who the corporate partners are:
https://www.nutrition.org.uk/aboutbnf/supporters/memberorganisations.html
This is my problem. You have an organisation that has the reach to create and control the recommended diet for the country, as handed out by the NHS, which is being funded by the very products and companies that specifically need us to continue eating ***** if they are to continue and thrive. That's not just an accidental conflict of interest but a very cynical synergy.
And if you look at the rest of the site (and then read the statement there on the Corporate Sponsor link) you can see how carefully they're balancing the "Good for everyone! Health and nutrition research!" with the "Protecting your Carb-Peddling interests".
So they're not just aware - as the tobacco companies were - that their products cause lasting harm to people, but they're also masquerading them as healthy still. The lie here exists and is perpetuated every day in cooking classes and doctor's offices and hospitals and everywhere that has a picture of the Eatwell Plate on the wall.
I'm not saying "Sure the NHS!", I'm saying the NHS is as much a victim as everyone else, and that there's a far darker, more cynical force making sure "Carbs are good! Sugar isn't so bad!" is the message that we grow up with, no matter our health condition, age, or what other science might say.
And those are the people we need to go after. No-one sued the cardboard box manufacturers for delivering cigarettes to people, just as it would make no sense to sue the NHS for delivering information that was otherwise approved (though, perhaps, they should have been a little more skeptical when they saw British Sugar was investing in that message...).
But the Eatwell Plate isn't an NHS creation, but (as explored on another thread which I can't currently remember, but suspect it culd have been one of mine) instead is monitored and updated by The British Nutrition Foundation:
https://www.nutrition.org.uk/healthyliving/healthydiet/eatwell.html
These are the people who, last year, thought adults could manage a whole extra 5g of sugar a day, increasing instead of decreasing the recommended daily allowance. Which wouldn't be such a bad thing, until you see who the corporate partners are:
https://www.nutrition.org.uk/aboutbnf/supporters/memberorganisations.html
This is my problem. You have an organisation that has the reach to create and control the recommended diet for the country, as handed out by the NHS, which is being funded by the very products and companies that specifically need us to continue eating ***** if they are to continue and thrive. That's not just an accidental conflict of interest but a very cynical synergy.
And if you look at the rest of the site (and then read the statement there on the Corporate Sponsor link) you can see how carefully they're balancing the "Good for everyone! Health and nutrition research!" with the "Protecting your Carb-Peddling interests".
So they're not just aware - as the tobacco companies were - that their products cause lasting harm to people, but they're also masquerading them as healthy still. The lie here exists and is perpetuated every day in cooking classes and doctor's offices and hospitals and everywhere that has a picture of the Eatwell Plate on the wall.
I'm not saying "Sure the NHS!", I'm saying the NHS is as much a victim as everyone else, and that there's a far darker, more cynical force making sure "Carbs are good! Sugar isn't so bad!" is the message that we grow up with, no matter our health condition, age, or what other science might say.
And those are the people we need to go after. No-one sued the cardboard box manufacturers for delivering cigarettes to people, just as it would make no sense to sue the NHS for delivering information that was otherwise approved (though, perhaps, they should have been a little more skeptical when they saw British Sugar was investing in that message...).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sacn-carbohydrates-and-health-reportI keep getting page not found on that last link.
Look at a graph of postwar obesity rates and it becomes clear that something changed after 1980. In the US, the line rises very gradually until, in the early 1980s, it takes off like an aeroplane. Just 12% of Americans were obese in 1950, 15% in 1980, 35% by 2000. In the UK, the line is flat for decades until the mid-1980s, at which point it also turns towards the sky. Only 6% of Britons were obese in 1980. In the next 20 years that figure more than trebled. Today, two thirds of Britons are either obese or overweight, making this the fattest country in the EU. Type 2 diabetes, closely related to obesity, has risen in tandem in both countries.
You can penalize diabetics for not making appropriate lifestyle changes, but you can't force them to do so. The majority of diabetics don't want to give up their sugary and starchy foods.
SACN has now published a comprehensive review of the scientific evidence concerning carbohydrates and health. A feature of this report is its focus on sugars.
While the evidence considered by SACN did not indicate an association between sugars intake and incidence of type 2 diabetes, evidence from prospective cohort studies did show that greater consumption of sugars-sweetened drinks is associated with increased risk type 2 diabetes.
Im probably a bit off topic now but i think that there are a variety of people in the world and the big food corporations will tap into every single one of them and find a way to access every potential sales market they can! I work with people with a low income and a lot of them are unfortunate to believe that poor quality sugar laiden food is cheapest. They could be considered as safe clients by these food producers. It doesn't take much nowadays to masquerade carb heavy foods as healthy by sticking wholegrain or natural on the labelling. I think it takes quite a lot of energy to figure that out as we are bombarded by advertising day in day out. I try to limit carbs but I don't go very low and I still like fruit like apples and bananas - but I am aware of the low carb thinking. I remember being told by the diabetes Nurse (when they still thought I was type 2) that I probably wasn't eating enough carbs to 'stimulate' my pancreas. I am aware of this theory but didn't know if it was true or not?
I've done a few posts on this subject - in particular finding your local butchers and getting hold of chicken carcasses and bones for broth. Most butchers are clued into this now and will sell you a big bag of the stuff for a couple of pounds - there is enough meat and nutrition on there to feed yourself for a week -Yes, it's a huge shift from processed to non-processed foods. We're fortunate that our local food bank works hard to make available healthy, non-processed foods. Right now I'm looking for someone to join our group to focus specifically on how to eat healthy with a limited food budget.
I have a great sympathy for people - at the point of desperation you don't really care about the future health issues of eating processed food. Likewise if your getting donations of massive bags of white pasta and rice you can't say no. nothing in the world is black and whiteYes, it's a huge shift from processed to non-processed foods. We're fortunate that our local food bank works hard to make available healthy, non-processed foods. Right now I'm looking for someone to join our group to focus specifically on how to eat healthy with a limited food budget.
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