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<blockquote data-quote="FatEmperor" data-source="post: 944635" data-attributes="member: 207876">Ooops Ruth - a veritable blizzard of straw-man misrepresentations there - ouch! If you read again:(a) I didn&#039;t claim fat &#039;fixed&#039; diabetes - you did. I said it helps massively if carb is held low &amp; protein moderate (otherwise no deal)(b) I didn&#039;t say &quot;exercise is not a factor because it&#039;s good for everyone&quot; - you did. I said exercise is a difficult fix to deploy, because with the best of intentions, millions just won&#039;t do it in spite of the obvious IS &amp; other benefits.(c)&nbsp; I didn&#039;t &quot;pour contempt on doctors&quot; for prescribing before lifestyle, but it&#039;s a fair point...(d) the primary source of hyperinsulinemia leading to the IR state is excessive digestible carb (not fibrous veggies) - excessive protein follows.as secondary in most cases. That&#039;s pretty much a law of nature, fundamental biochemistry, but by all means deny it if you will.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FatEmperor, post: 944635, member: 207876"] Ooops Ruth - a veritable blizzard of straw-man misrepresentations there - ouch! If you read again: (a) I didn't claim fat 'fixed' diabetes - you did. I said it helps massively if carb is held low & protein moderate (otherwise no deal) (b) I didn't say "exercise is not a factor because it's good for everyone" - you did. I said exercise is a difficult fix to deploy, because with the best of intentions, millions just won't do it in spite of the obvious IS & other benefits. (c) I didn't "pour contempt on doctors" for prescribing before lifestyle, but it's a fair point... (d) the primary source of hyperinsulinemia leading to the IR state is excessive digestible carb (not fibrous veggies) - excessive protein follows.as secondary in most cases. That's pretty much a law of nature, fundamental biochemistry, but by all means deny it if you will. [/QUOTE]

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