Just once in a while

I give up, I can't see why you can't have a portion or exchange of those things

what is your carb allowance and what BG numbers are 1 and 2 hr after food?
If you take the top of the bun off and keep the base, 20g carb, mcdonalds f'fries 30g, total 50g, or have half a serve of fries if 50g is too much. it would be about 35g

15g is 14
so how do you go with mixed veg on a plate that most allow10g for?. that would put you about 11 wouldn't it?
It might be time you considered going onto more meds. This seems unhealthy.

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I'd like a hot meal instead of salad. Cheese salad. Chicken salad. Salad salad. Just once in a while I'd like a burger and chips. Or a baked potato with beans. Or a sandwich. Man I'd kill for a sandwich, with tiger bread. Just once in a while I'd like to just eat something, without counting carbs, without testing my bloods after.
Just once in a while.
But it's not going to happen, this is it. This is my life.

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I absolutely understand that. It's difficult but I too have an intolerance to flour when it's in bread form. White bread has a dreadful effect on my BG's. This morning I was at a friend's place at breakfast time but there were no eggs or anything I usually have so I had a piece of white bread toast....2 hours later my BG was 12.5. On the other hand I can have flour in small piece of pastry. Perhaps it has to do with what it's mixed with? I can have a small portion of rice, a small potato or a small portion of pasta but none of this first thing in the morning. As the day progresses I can tolerate more carbs. It does seem that eating to my meter is the only way really and it seems also that not all carbs are have the same effect on me. So although I have around 60gms of carb a day it doesn't mean that I can have ALL carbs at ALL times of the day. Lord, this has been a huge learning curve!

jack412 said:

15g is 14
so how do you go with mixed veg on a plate that most allow10g for?. that would put you about 11 wouldn't it?
It might be time you considered going onto more meds. This seems unhealthy.

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Jack

I have the same problem. A regular meal burger and fries even with less bread shoots me sky high.

A flower tortilla same thing, along with rice and now even lentils.

300g to 500g mixed salads and veggies I can handle and fish take me to 115 to 120mg/dl .

Strange polenta with cheese barely budges if I have pork with it. And a dark beer called Old Rasputin with 9.6% alcohol drops my BS . YES!!!

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Don't know if this is any help but there is a franchise based on am American 50's style diner that serves a "skinny burger". Comes with salad, vinagrette and no bun. (don't know if I'm allowed to give the name of the place?

Well if others can say mcdonalds for not being good then why not say brand name for us to enjoy?


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I've been house/dog sitting this week away from home and for evenings I've had 2 pieces of bread with cucumber n lettuce. Normally have salads at home. My levels at night and following morning on waking have gone up so high.
Haven't known whether its the bread, staying away from home, the extra 3 1 hour walks each day (shouldn't be as my job is gardening and very physical). Or the heat, or my pump or what. I think its the bread.
So taking bread out of diet for rest of my stay here.. But have also changed everything on pump so not going to be really certain what it is for sure.. Certainly not ill!!


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@Popsey
So you are better with pastry, eh?
Well I am better with fried bread
So I guess it is the proportion of fat to flour (standard pastry recipe is half fat to flour, and flakey pastry is more...)
Obviously I will have to select the richest pastries in future

Seriously though @semiphonic , I know where you are coming from. I just gorge (and yes, that is an appropriate use of the word) on things that don't spike me. I can't stand hunger or carb cravings, so I need to feel satisfied, or I'll give in to the carb cravings.

Steak with hollandaise or blue cheese
Creamy or bulletproof coffee
Mixed grill (and about 5 chips)

I would add mayo to your salads, and oily smoked fish... Or finish with berries and cream, or Camembert.

If you are having carb cravings while doing the LCHF thing, then you need more fat.

This forum is doing wonders for me. I've been low carbing for years, but in reality, I've been doing it just enough to keep my weight stable and avoid carb nonsense (aches, pains, cravings and water retention).

It is only in the last few weeks that I have been doing it better, embracing the fat, relishing what I CAN eat... Feeling decadently indulgent. Feeling full. And shockingly, I feel better in ketosis, and feel better all round. My sleep is wonderful.

It turns out I actually prefer eating this way!

Oh, and my clothes are a little looser.

'Embracing the fat'. What a lovely phrase! I have been trying to concentrate my mind on what I can and should have too, instead of what is now forbidden. Most of the time I'm fine, even though I am still not experiencing the anticipated weight loss. Last night though, I looked as my chicken, mushroom and spinach curry, served with grated broccoli rice (ran out of cauliflower!) and could barely choke half of it down.

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Helsin said:

'Embracing the fat'. What a lovely phrase! I have been trying to concentrate my mind on what I can and should have too, instead of what is now forbidden. Most of the time I'm fine, even though I am still not experiencing the anticipated weight loss. Last night though, I looked as my chicken, mushroom and spinach curry, served with grated broccoli rice (ran out of cauliflower!) and could barely choke half of it down.

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Yes, I once tried eating macrobioticly for, er, 5 days.

On the last day, I prepared my boiled brown rice, bean salad, sauerkraut and pickles, served it onto my plate, sat down, stared at it, stood up, scraped it into the bin, and set off for the chippy.

It HAS to be enjoyable, sustainable and practical, doesn't it?

I think I have been suffering from 'smug ***** syndrome'. I have struggled a little with replacing milk and one with cream and sweetener, but the low carb thing seemed quite natural and 3 weeks + cigarette free too. Then my mood went very low yesterday. Worrying about things I can't change at the moment and quite weepy. Trying to get a grip.

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I think I have been suffering from 'smug ***** syndrome'. I have struggled a little with replacing milk and one with cream and sweetener, but the low carb thing seemed quite natural and 3 weeks + cigarette free too. Then my mood went very low yesterday. Worrying about things I can't change at the moment and quite weepy. Trying to get a grip.

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Have a big virtual hug! Now have another one! Diabetes is a b***** and there are so many horrible complications we can get. You are doing really well! Go and treat yourself to something nice! Clothes, new lippy, whatever floats your boat! Go and read a soppy book, see a chic flick. Have a good cry if you feel like it! All women have days like this. It will pass! Take care xxx

Wish I could treat myself, but it's financial worries that are probably at the root of the current cortisol surge and moods.

Helsin said:

I think I have been suffering from 'smug ***** syndrome'. I have struggled a little with replacing milk and one with cream and sweetener, but the low carb thing seemed quite natural and 3 weeks + cigarette free too. Then my mood went very low yesterday. Worrying about things I can't change at the moment and quite weepy. Trying to get a grip.

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Ha! Don't worry!

I'll bet that last night, when you were unable to eat your curry, you were teetering on the upper edge of a hypo (even if your BG wasn't very low, you can still get hypo symptoms is your BG drops sharply.

When that happens to me, I get a feeling of black despair, misery, stroppily reject reasonable food items, and feel weepy, irritable and depressed. Sad things on the telly have me bawling incoherently.

The next day, I still feel manky, often with aching limbs and a nice line in self criticism.

Any of that ring a bell?

If it does, I prescribe a HUGE, high protein, richly rewarding low carb meal. Full English. Huge roast dinner. Mixed grill. Creamy curry... Whatever floats your boat. It will make you feel sooooo much better.

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Wish I could treat myself, but it's financial worries that are probably at the root of the current cortisol surge and moods.

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Go and get some help. Research it on the net. Interest can get frozen. Some debt can get written off.
https://www.moneyadviceservice.org....ft_section=e&gclid=CMfV0sT2sr4CFckJwwodwngAsQ
Hope this helps! Big hugxxxhugxxx

semiphonic said:

I'd like a hot meal instead of salad. Cheese salad. Chicken salad. Salad salad. Just once in a while I'd like a burger and chips. Or a baked potato with beans. Or a sandwich. Man I'd kill for a sandwich, with tiger bread. Just once in a while I'd like to just eat something, without counting carbs, without testing my bloods after.
Just once in a while.
But it's not going to happen, this is it. This is my life.

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I sympathise… I really do….

But, as a T2, your body can’t cope and is damaged by the blood glucose surges which result from eating fast-acting and refined carbohydrates such as tiger bread, burger buns and chips in the “usual” quantities. You can either accept that, and only have these things as an occasional treat and/or you can be more creative with foods that you can eat freely, without sending your BG into orbit.

Where is it written that you should eat salads all the time? Or that you can’t have a hot meal?

If, as your signature says, you are following LCHF, there’s a wide range of delicious and healthy foods you CAN eat, that will keep your BG in the safety zone. Google for recipes which are low-carb versions of your favourite foods. Unfortunately, you won’t find low-carb versions at the usual fast-foods outlets – you will likely have to make your own.

You could make your own burger or cheese burger – leave off the bun, and either just have a few chips (if you can stop at just a few), or make chips from celeriac.

I make my own carb-free burgers, so I know what’s in them (i.e. no fillers, binders or thickeners: rusk, wheatflour and the like). I just add salt and pepper and sometimes a little chopped onion to minced beef and sometimes some chillies or herbs depending on what I fancy at the time, and shape them into burgers. I have a Tupperware burger maker thingy which makes them nice and even, but you could shape them by hand. Then I sear them in a griddle pan to get a nice stripy effect going on. Even better, with barbecue season starting – sling them on the barbie! Fancy a cheeseburger? – Just add a slice of mature cheese and flash under a grill. Add low-carb toppings/sides like a salsa with chopped avocado & tomato or coleslaw, or a hot sauce. You can make chicken, fish or lamb burgers in the same way – you can add an egg if you find that they won’t bind together, and whatever herbs you like. I make celeriac chips in the oven – just cut into chunky sized chips, and toss in a little oil (I use olive or rice bran oil), and bake.

Trust me, once you find new favourites, you’ll no longer miss the junk.