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<blockquote data-quote="jddukes" data-source="post: 1250555" data-attributes="member: 49946"><p>[USER=234442]@qe5rt[/USER] you are correct that anecdotal and/or individual stories are not very helpful. That is why you need larger cohorts and this is difficult in human nutrition but in particular to control well for specifics, such as keto.</p><p></p><p>Volek and Phinney have a lot of papers out there that do this and the data is positive.</p><p></p><p>The counter to your argument however about the negative aspects (and I agree you cannot say something has no adverse effects in all people!) is that you are assuming we have some sort of established standard that has little/no averse effects. I contend that, and I think the obesity epidemic and general health of individuals in Western societies emphasise that point.</p><p></p><p>We say that the "keto diet is not for everyone" and the unsaid sort of assumption people subconsciously make is that a "regular" recommended Western diet (300g+ carbs per day) is a diet that could work for everyone. How often do you hear someone in the West say "a normal (western) diet is not for everyone"? We don't, because it has been engrained that the current advice (from a decision made in the 1950s/60s and supported by billion $ industries) is the default best case scenario. I think the evidence is starting to come to light that there is no default best, and actually every single diet, depending on your genetic predispositions, may have some merits in some people and disadvantages in others.</p><p></p><p>Another way to illustrate this is that conventional western diets are far worse for children with epilepsy in general than a ketogenic diet. That is an interesting observation.</p><p></p><p>Another interesting thing to consider is newborns and breast milk. If you look at the compostion of a purely breast-fed baby (arguably the best option for a developing child) then the RDV's will mean that any baby on the breast will be exceeding their RDV of fat or not getting enough carbs. The ratio is completely different to our RDVs. Now I appreciate that this is a completely different scenario as it is a developing and fast growing child with different needs to an adult, but why is it because the government says this is your RDV of fat, carb and protein does this default this as being a "safe" diet? When actually it will highly depend on the individual diet and there is good evidence that a carb-centric diet may not be best in a large proportion of the western population!!</p><p></p><p>Just some food for thought (forgive the pun)...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jddukes, post: 1250555, member: 49946"] [USER=234442]@qe5rt[/USER] you are correct that anecdotal and/or individual stories are not very helpful. That is why you need larger cohorts and this is difficult in human nutrition but in particular to control well for specifics, such as keto. Volek and Phinney have a lot of papers out there that do this and the data is positive. The counter to your argument however about the negative aspects (and I agree you cannot say something has no adverse effects in all people!) is that you are assuming we have some sort of established standard that has little/no averse effects. I contend that, and I think the obesity epidemic and general health of individuals in Western societies emphasise that point. We say that the "keto diet is not for everyone" and the unsaid sort of assumption people subconsciously make is that a "regular" recommended Western diet (300g+ carbs per day) is a diet that could work for everyone. How often do you hear someone in the West say "a normal (western) diet is not for everyone"? We don't, because it has been engrained that the current advice (from a decision made in the 1950s/60s and supported by billion $ industries) is the default best case scenario. I think the evidence is starting to come to light that there is no default best, and actually every single diet, depending on your genetic predispositions, may have some merits in some people and disadvantages in others. Another way to illustrate this is that conventional western diets are far worse for children with epilepsy in general than a ketogenic diet. That is an interesting observation. Another interesting thing to consider is newborns and breast milk. If you look at the compostion of a purely breast-fed baby (arguably the best option for a developing child) then the RDV's will mean that any baby on the breast will be exceeding their RDV of fat or not getting enough carbs. The ratio is completely different to our RDVs. Now I appreciate that this is a completely different scenario as it is a developing and fast growing child with different needs to an adult, but why is it because the government says this is your RDV of fat, carb and protein does this default this as being a "safe" diet? When actually it will highly depend on the individual diet and there is good evidence that a carb-centric diet may not be best in a large proportion of the western population!! Just some food for thought (forgive the pun)... [/QUOTE]
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