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<blockquote data-quote="LittleGreyCat" data-source="post: 2053513" data-attributes="member: 6467"><p>I think you may be incorrect, because as far as I know there is always insulin present, just as there is always blood glucose present even if you are in nutritional ketosis.</p><p></p><p>There is a balancing act between blood and tissue glucose, insulin and ketones. I think that ketones are the only ones which can be virtually non-existent.</p><p></p><p>Limiting your carbohydrate intake will limit your insulin production because less insulin is needed. If you don't eat enough carbohydrates to meet your energy needs then you will produce ketones to make up the difference. If you eat very few carbohydrates then your energy will come mainly from ketones.</p><p></p><p>However there are still tissues which need glucose, such as parts of the brain, where ketones will not pass the blood/brain barrier. This is produced from whatever is available by the liver if there is no spare carbohydrate. As far as I know this still requires insulin to balance it.</p><p></p><p>Obviously if your BG drops below 4 then you are in hypo territory so you do require BG at all times, even when water fasting. So your body has to both produce it and regulate it.</p><p></p><p>So as far as I can see a non-diabetic who has successfully moved excess BG into fat and muscle and has no ketones in the blood is likely to have a similar insulin level to a diabetic in nutritional ketosis with loads of ketones in the blood.</p><p></p><p>Your insulin level can also be raised in nutritional ketosis if you have insulin resistance. The body has to maintain a higher background level of insulin to force the glucose out of the blood regardless of how much or how little ketones are present.</p><p></p><p>So I don't think that the level of ketones can be relied on to show the level of insulin in the blood.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LittleGreyCat, post: 2053513, member: 6467"] I think you may be incorrect, because as far as I know there is always insulin present, just as there is always blood glucose present even if you are in nutritional ketosis. There is a balancing act between blood and tissue glucose, insulin and ketones. I think that ketones are the only ones which can be virtually non-existent. Limiting your carbohydrate intake will limit your insulin production because less insulin is needed. If you don't eat enough carbohydrates to meet your energy needs then you will produce ketones to make up the difference. If you eat very few carbohydrates then your energy will come mainly from ketones. However there are still tissues which need glucose, such as parts of the brain, where ketones will not pass the blood/brain barrier. This is produced from whatever is available by the liver if there is no spare carbohydrate. As far as I know this still requires insulin to balance it. Obviously if your BG drops below 4 then you are in hypo territory so you do require BG at all times, even when water fasting. So your body has to both produce it and regulate it. So as far as I can see a non-diabetic who has successfully moved excess BG into fat and muscle and has no ketones in the blood is likely to have a similar insulin level to a diabetic in nutritional ketosis with loads of ketones in the blood. Your insulin level can also be raised in nutritional ketosis if you have insulin resistance. The body has to maintain a higher background level of insulin to force the glucose out of the blood regardless of how much or how little ketones are present. So I don't think that the level of ketones can be relied on to show the level of insulin in the blood. [/QUOTE]
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