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<blockquote data-quote="xyzzy" data-source="post: 299847" data-attributes="member: 40343"><p>Catherine I'm just attempting to show that ketogenic diets are accepted as treatments in other medical areas less contentious than the dietary advise given to diet only T2's in the UK. I except the issue was contentious in the past and even accept that people such Stephen Phinney and others can be viewed as contentious but I suggest someone like Eric Kossoff is less so because his area of expertise is not all tied up in diet and diabetes. </p><p></p><p>As the second link in my post showed it is not just child epilepsy but a whole range of neurological disorders where ketogenic diets are being seen to be an effective treatment and there would be a lot of other non contentious neutral scientists who were doing the research in each of the neurological areas the study shows. On the subject of Eric Kossoff you can actually buy his ketogenic diet for epilepsy book off Amazon but I know to some writing a book will instantly invalidate all his work :lol: </p><p></p><p>To me advocating a ketogenic diet to a diabetic is just an option that the person may want to consider as I believe they can be effective even though I don't follow a fully ketogenic diet myself. As I said in a later post anyone who adopts a ketogenic diet should ensure they get tests done by their gp but I don't see this as in anyway special or indicating that a ketogenic diet is in anyway significantly more dangerous than adopting any other dietary regime. All diabetics should have their health monitored and if for example being on a ketogenic diet was seen to be a problem then you should assess the size of the problem and decide what to do in a level headed way. No different than if you are on any other dietary regime as T2 which then goes on to show a problem.</p><p></p><p>As to ketogenic diets leading to death then my response is show me the evidence. Show me a modern scientific study directly relating to ketogenic diets that actually concludes to the effect of the statement you quoted. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If such as study exists then it would state what that word "risk" actually means when the "unsupervised diet" is a ketogenic one and then I'll be quite happy look at the associated risk in a rational manner in the same way as I assess the risk of my own lchf diet , whether to take a statin or take other medication etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xyzzy, post: 299847, member: 40343"] Catherine I'm just attempting to show that ketogenic diets are accepted as treatments in other medical areas less contentious than the dietary advise given to diet only T2's in the UK. I except the issue was contentious in the past and even accept that people such Stephen Phinney and others can be viewed as contentious but I suggest someone like Eric Kossoff is less so because his area of expertise is not all tied up in diet and diabetes. As the second link in my post showed it is not just child epilepsy but a whole range of neurological disorders where ketogenic diets are being seen to be an effective treatment and there would be a lot of other non contentious neutral scientists who were doing the research in each of the neurological areas the study shows. On the subject of Eric Kossoff you can actually buy his ketogenic diet for epilepsy book off Amazon but I know to some writing a book will instantly invalidate all his work :lol: To me advocating a ketogenic diet to a diabetic is just an option that the person may want to consider as I believe they can be effective even though I don't follow a fully ketogenic diet myself. As I said in a later post anyone who adopts a ketogenic diet should ensure they get tests done by their gp but I don't see this as in anyway special or indicating that a ketogenic diet is in anyway significantly more dangerous than adopting any other dietary regime. All diabetics should have their health monitored and if for example being on a ketogenic diet was seen to be a problem then you should assess the size of the problem and decide what to do in a level headed way. No different than if you are on any other dietary regime as T2 which then goes on to show a problem. As to ketogenic diets leading to death then my response is show me the evidence. Show me a modern scientific study directly relating to ketogenic diets that actually concludes to the effect of the statement you quoted. If such as study exists then it would state what that word "risk" actually means when the "unsupervised diet" is a ketogenic one and then I'll be quite happy look at the associated risk in a rational manner in the same way as I assess the risk of my own lchf diet , whether to take a statin or take other medication etc. [/QUOTE]
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