Type 2 Keytones

woollygal · Jul 6, 2019

Very much slow off the mark here but I just remembered something.
Last August when I was in A and E with kidney stones and when they said you are 16.9 so diabetic. I just realised the Dr also said and you have keytones in your blood.

1) would that be in blood or urine?

2) is that dangerous ( just realised that maybe that day I was far iller than I’ve ever realised

3) it was never mentioned again and nothing was said about treatment. But I was given 2 bags of liquid as I was severely dehydrated so wondering if that killed 2 birds with one stone.

Like I said very slow off the mark and way too late but it suddenly came to me today.

LittleGreyCat · Jul 6, 2019

Cana said:
Very much slow off the mark here but I just remembered something.
Last August when I was in A and E with kidney stones and when they said you are 16.9 so diabetic. I just realised the Dr also said and you have keytones in your blood.

1) would that be in blood or urine?

2) is that dangerous ( just realised that maybe that day I was far iller than I’ve ever realised

3) it was never mentioned again and nothing was said about treatment. But I was given 2 bags of liquid as I was severely dehydrated so wondering if that killed 2 birds with one stone.

Like I said very slow off the mark and way too late but it suddenly came to me today.

That would be Ketones.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-and-ketones.html for some explanation.

Briefly, ketones are generated when your body burns fat for energy, so are usually in your blood every day.

People who are "in ketosis" or "keto adapted" are deliberately not eating carbohydrates but eating fats instead so that their body burns fat for energy, using ketones.

Ketones are only a worry if your body goes into "panic mode" because there is not enough insulin to get glucose out of the blood stream and into the cells so the body starts generating ketones instead. A mixture of very high ketones and very high blood glucose can be a very bad thing. Diabetic Ketoacidosis is a very dangerous condition.

This is mainly a T1 thing but can also happen to T2s. It is sometimes the emergency which leads to a trip to A&E and diagnosis of diabetes. However many T2s are diagnosed long before this can happen.
I don't know, but I can guess that you were caught before that stage, but that your body had started generating ketones.

Ketones at low levels are perfectly normal, and a very good thing if you are losing weight because that shows that you are burning off fat.

If they fixed your high blood glucose at the hospital then any issue with ketones will also have disappeared.

Edit: oh, and ketones are usually found in three places; your blood, your urine, and your breath. The cheapest method to check for ketones is Ketostix which you dip in a urine sample.

woollygal · Jul 6, 2019

LittleGreyCat said:
That would be Ketones.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-and-ketones.html for some explanation.

Briefly, ketones are generated when your body burns fat for energy, so are usually in your blood every day.

People who are "in ketosis" or "keto adapted" are deliberately not eating carbohydrates but eating fats instead so that their body burns fat for energy, using ketones.

Ketones are only a worry if your body goes into "panic mode" because there is not enough insulin to get glucose out of the blood stream and into the cells so the body starts generating ketones instead. A mixture of very high ketones and very high blood glucose can be a very bad thing. Diabetic Ketoacidosis is a very dangerous condition.

This is mainly a T1 thing but can also happen to T2s. It is sometimes the emergency which leads to a trip to A&E and diagnosis of diabetes. However many T2s are diagnosed long before this can happen.
I don't know, but I can guess that you were caught before that stage, but that your body had started generating ketones.

Ketones at low levels are perfectly normal, and a very good thing if you are losing weight because that shows that you are burning off fat.

If they fixed your high blood glucose at the hospital then any issue with ketones will also have disappeared.

They didn’t touch the sugar levels I don’t think. Not that I’m aware of.
I was on morphine and in a lot of pain.

But he didn’t seem happy when he said ketones. It was very much like I shouldn’t have them.

They didn’t say they were lowering my levels.

LittleGreyCat · Jul 6, 2019

Cana said:
They didn’t touch the sugar levels I don’t think. Not that I’m aware of.
I was on morphine and in a lot of pain.

But he didn’t seem happy when he said ketones. It was very much like I shouldn’t have them.

They didn’t say they were lowering my levels.

It would be an additional concern if you were under stress and just diagnosed with diabetes. High blood glucose plus ketones would have sounded an alarm bell.

As it seems that the sugar levels sorted themselves out without any intervention then I assume the ketones also sorted themselves out.

woollygal · Jul 6, 2019

LittleGreyCat said:
It would be an additional concern if you were under stress and just diagnosed with diabetes. High blood glucose plus ketones would have sounded an alarm bell.

As it seems that the sugar levels sorted themselves out without any intervention then I assume the ketones also sorted themselves out.

I don’t know that the sugar levels did.
They just said they would discharge me if I promised to go to dr first thing Monday morning and if pain returned I had to return urgently.,

I doubt they corrected themselves because I was diagnosed later that week at 87

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