I'm new on here so not up to speed with all the acronyms. My BMI is about 24, weight 63 kg and height 163cm. Switched to LCHF to try and bring fasting BS down. Have had a Glucokinase test as seemed not to fit typical T2 but not that although letter says "does not exclude other types of MODY" No further action taken. I have had a Glucose Tolerance Test and that was very odd as my levels were lower at the end of 2 hours than when I got up. So decided to treat me as IFG - Impaired Fasting Glucose.
But what now? The LCHF did bring my fasting BS down for a while but now on the rise again. Last HBA1c was 46 down from 47 but cholesterol up to 6.2 (4.8), trigs 0.9 (0.6) HDL 2.2 (1.7) LDL 3.6(2.8)
What ratios should I look at? The GP rang me up about cholesterol and wanted me on statins, another GP wants me to take Metformin to increase insulin sensitivity.
Why do I get high fasting BS - nearly everyday?
A lot see a rise with saturated fats.
Good, healthy, non saturated fats give good results with cholesterol.
What is your fasting BG?
LCHF can raise it.
Are you implying LCHF raises the fasting blood score or lipids, SXP? Your post isn't too clear.
Lipoprotein ratios are old hat. The really important measures are the HDL and trigs, and this is especially true when the HDL is quite high (> 1.5). Also crucial, the blood pressure. Statins? -- horrors! They can be toxic and they actually cause diabetes in a few percent. Anyway, the LDL is barely worth concern.So decided to treat me as IFG - Impaired Fasting Glucose.
But what now? The LCHF did bring my fasting BS down for a while but now on the rise again. Last HBA1c was 46 down from 47 but cholesterol up to 6.2 (4.8), trigs 0.9 (0.6) HDL 2.2 (1.7) LDL 3.6(2.8)
What ratios should I look at? The GP rang me up about cholesterol and wanted me on statins, another GP wants me to take Metformin to increase insulin sensitivity.
Why do I get high fasting BS - nearly everyday?
My GP isn't keen to prescribe testing strips and wants me to rely on HBA1c so I haven't been testing that much. I often test in the morning 7.5 to 9.0 typically. Since LCHF, down to mid 6's but now creeping back up again which makes me feel that the LCHF was only a temporary help.The ratio that is most important is the total/HDL which should be under 4.
What sort of post meal rises do you see? (From before to after). What sort of time do you peak, and how long does it take you to get back to base?
Sorry if not clear, I'm probably in a muddle myself to be honest. My fasting BG had been consistently 7.5 to 9 - but managed a few 6's since started LCHF in January. Now though, despite being more strict, my FBG's going up again. They were mid 6's for a while...Are you implying LCHF raises the fasting blood score or lipids, SXP? Your post isn't too clear.
Sorry if not clear, I'm probably in a muddle myself to be honest. My fasting BG had been consistently 7.5 to 9 - but managed a few 6's since started LCHF in January. Now though, despite being more strict, my FBG's going up again. They were mid 6's for a while...
LCHF lowered FBG to start with, but now seems to be going back to where it was b4'Can'
Stating, not implying.
SXP?
I don't do text speak I'm afraid, way too old for that.
Wow..thanks for all the info. I will read the article and educate myself as to reactive hypoglycemia. The blood tests were quite far apart - I think 18 months or more - I'm going to record all the data I have properly. The increase in trigs coincides with me eating eggs almost every day as opposed to once or twice a week. I'm also eating lots of oily fish - mackerel, salmon etc and on full fat yogurt.Lipoprotein ratios are old hat. The really important measures are the HDL and trigs, and this is especially true when the HDL is quite high (> 1.5). Also crucial, the blood pressure. Statins? -- horrors! They can be toxic and they actually cause diabetes in a few percent. Anyway, the LDL is barely worth concern.
Maybe the closest science is to knowing "why IFG?" is this 2009 article by Faerch. Pathophysiology and aetiology of impaired fasting glycaemia and impaired glucose tolerance: does it matter for prevention and treatment of type 2 diabetes? Published in EASD.org's journal. The authors say liver (hepatic) insulin resistance is one of the components of isolated IFG (IFG with IGT). The GP's recommendation for metformin is consistent with this theory. At the same time, muscle IR is low in IFG individuals. Insulin resistance occurs in the skeletal muscles, the liver, and the depots of visceral (deep) fat. IR may be disparate across the different tissues.
Roughly speaking, the makeup of the prediabetes population is 65% IGT only, 25% IFG only, and 10% both.
How many months apart are the old and new sets of blood tests? What was the peak value on the OGTT (should not exceed about 8.0)? Like the others say, reactive hypoglycemia is a common thing. Occasionally, it happens to me, I get sleepy. I suppose it's not OK.
Several researchers oppose the principle of low total cholesterol, and they specifically see no cause for concern over a total "cholesterol" (= lipoprotein) of up to around 6.0. This is especially so if a person is lean, like you. On the other hand, your lipoprotein profile is up sharply. One innocent explanation is that maybe at 4.8, you were following advice for a militantly low "cholesterol" diet, maybe including avoidance of eggs. 4.8 is probably a deficient state, especially for men. The only new number that might truly be in excess is the LDL of 3.6, and that would be a small excess. The upward trend of the TG is unwelcome. However, its value is still quite healthy.
For many years, my lipid profile was
total lipoprotein 6.6, LDL 4.4, HDL 1.8, TG 1.1
The numbers were nearly identical from year to year. I sat around all day every day. BMI 19.5, fasting glucose low. Now I take long walks, and the current numbers are
5.2-5.7, 2.5, 2.5, 1.0.
BMI is 20.0 (these low BMI's are a misery). I've been dieting LCHF forever, unwittingly.
Wow..thanks for all the info. I will read the article and educate myself as to reactive hypoglycemia. The blood tests were quite far apart - I think 18 months or more - I'm going to record all the data I have properly. The increase in trigs coincides with me eating eggs almost every day as opposed to once or twice a week. I'm also eating lots of oily fish - mackerel, salmon etc and on full fat yogurt.
The OGTT was quite odd as FBG was 6.2 that day and then 5.8 after the 2 hours. I also find that any high result can be brought down by intense exercise but tend not to do exercise after evening meal.
No I don't think I match the profile for T2 - I only found out because my son participates in the ALSPAC study and they started to investigate parents and up popped high fasting BS. It could be another type but in view of my age and not on any medication, not cost-effective to investigate further. I did see an endocinologist who was pretty convinced it would be Glucokinase but it isn't. It was suggested it could be T1 but apparently it would have progressed more quickly. My GP says it doesn't matter as Metformin would be first resort in any event. I would like to know what type but does it matter?It's not unusual to see an increase in Fasting BG due to physiological insulin resistance.
When you become keto adapted, the body 'saves' glucose for the brain, so the muscles don't use it as they used to.
So your BG can actually rise for a period.
But, it seems to be a bit higher than others have reported.
Do you match the profile for a type 2, or could it be a different type of diabetes possibly?
Have you been tested, or was the diagnosis type 2, and that was it?
No I don't think I match the profile for T2 - I only found out because my son participates in the ALSPAC study and they started to investigate parents and up popped high fasting BS. It could be another type but in view of my age and not on any medication, not cost-effective to investigate further. I did see an endocinologist who was pretty convinced it would be Glucokinase but it isn't. It was suggested it could be T1 but apparently it would have progressed more quickly. My GP says it doesn't matter as Metformin would be first resort in any event. I would like to know what type but does it matter?
I think I should print what you've said and take it to my GP. You're very well-informed - thank you for helping. May I ask are you in the UK? I can't seem to get answers to my questions through the NHS at the moment.
waist does measure about 32" which I've seen on some websites is not good.
I'm not keen on taking metformin because I am not convinced that I'm T2 at all. I do get lots of UTIs/Thrush though and many years ago (late 20s) had a few months of amenorrhea so some "experts" say these are also symptoms.
I rarely get BS below about 5.5 - usually 6.5 to 9.
I personally tend to go with the mainstream view, avoid saturated fats, avoid dairy, and keep my cholesterol in the ranges considered healthy by the majority.
Others do believe raised cholesterol is the way to go thought, and eat saturated fats to raise it.
If I stop regularly testing, what symptoms should I watch out for that would signify that my diabetes (of whatever type) needs treatment? I'm having HBA1C's about every 6 months.
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