those that are recent diagnosed can remember the day we clicked onto this site, I was scared and bewildered and didn't know what end was up...I didn't post at first, I spent a week reading the old posts...all the info is there..it's just repeatedThat's fine but many new posters want quick advice. They join a forum like this for advice, not for a chat to discuss their background. Some are not comfortable discussing their medical history or circumstances. So again, one size does not fit all. Lastly, have I criticized any of your opening posts even though I don't agree with them all ? No. So, why do you feel the need to criticize others just because they are not to your liking ? I think we are in danger of making a pretty pointless thread into a two way discussion so I'll leave you to it. Look forward to reading more of your opening posts.
Wow and all that from a West Ham supporter - who would have thought it? heyI want to point out from the start that my post is not aimed at any individual member on this, or any other thread, these are general observations.
The reason I came to this forum is because I was a newly diagnosed Type 2 diabetic, scared, confused and clueless. Thanks solely to advice from the experienced members of this forum I quickly gained control. The reason I've stayed on this forum is, again, because of the members of this forum, some of who I consider friends and I'd gladly meet up with, others I'd cross the street to avoid.
Something that seems to either get forgotten, or maybe gets lost in translation, is that we all have diabetes of some form, whether that's Type 1, Type 2, LADA, Pre-diabetes, Reactive Hypoglaecemia etc etc. we all have a condition that needs to be controlled, and there are different ways to do this.
The issue is, as far as I can see, not the fact that there are different ways to control our conditions, but rather the arguments, personal attacks and sometimes hatred that seems to erupt when different diet factions get together on a thread, often on a newly diagnosed members early threads.
For the record, I have found what works for me which is a mixture of different approaches, but the key part of that statement is "works for me", it may not work for anyone else on this forum. We are all different, my pancreas may be producing more insulin than the next person, or I may be less insulin resistant than the next person, there is no one size fits all solution to our conditions.
The best advice I was given was to get a meter, the next best advice I was given was to eat to that meter, then and only then did it make sense to start cutting out certain food groups, I could see exactly what affected me and what didn't.
When threads are about anything other than diet it's rare to see any arguments, if threads were about religious beliefs or sexual preferences, there would be no rubbishing of members thoughts and observations, there's no reason for it to happen when it's regarding diet.
I fail to see why everyone can't comfortably co-exist.
Let's all go back to helping new members, and accepting that there will be different ways to do this.
Peace and love.
Steve
Wow and all that from a West Ham supporter - who would have thought it? hey
Hi, Steve
I am really concerned about the dynamics that are happening ....I don't think diet should be the first big discussion for someone here who is new or not so new ....people are of course free to follow what ever diet they wish , but let a person have time to breath first ....there is so much to,digest and people are all just shocked in many cases ...I know what diet I follow and choose but I would never push it at anyone ...like me telling everyone meat is bad for you , yes I choose not to eat meat , up to others what they do ...
Yes I agree it is dangerous to , we just don't know the facts and are not qualified to say .....suggestions and our experiences are all we can share ...but when you come here and are baffled with the diet that you should or should not be following while trying to get a grip on what is happening with your life and health is just not right ...that is how it feels ...
I like the information daisy gives ....as long as it stays within nice guidelines ....what is wrong with it ....it does highlight diet choices as well ...
Hi , thanks for asking , I have always been open about my diet ..sometimes low carb some times medium some GL eating ...for me I was probably eating the same type of veggie foods all my life ...sugar or my pancreatic issues seemed to be the problem ...both type 1 and 2 in my family ...Kat - I would wholly agree that when people arrive here they are often reeling from the news of their diagnosis, but more often than not they ask "What do I need to do to make this right?". In my view, that must then refer to diet, as it is so fundamental to our turnarounds. The detail of that diet is purely preference. One question I will ask you is - for yourself; have you reduced your carbohydrate intake since you were diagnosed as diabetic?
Hi , thanks for asking , I have always been open about my diet ..sometimes low carb some times medium some GL eating ...for me I was probably eating the same type of veggie foods all my life ...sugar or my pancreatic issues seemed to be the problem ...both type 1 and 2 in my family ...
I have been making meals for years which I did not consider were the ones I mentioned above but they are and were...
Tea and sugar ...no they were never for me ...
I was really shocked still am 18 months on ...and confused at times and yes as I have said before I confuse myself at times ..
I don't follow high fat though ...and never will , but will use olive oil for cooking etc ...I tweak to suit my own diet needs ...
It is life long learning for me , not just as and when I was new , but this continues with my individual health medication and lifestyles needs.
I don't mind sharing at all , but I have not shared new news ....and I support all individuals whatever preference , but not sure how long this will continue for the virtual world can get exhausting at times ...
Exactly, initial post must surely include low carb. It's the rest of the diet that is variable and is a personal choice.I specifically didn't ask about the fat elements of your diet, probably because that is exactly where I see the divisions between the sides. I cannot think of anyone who posts on here, and has decent control who has continued to eat biscuits, cakes, potatoes, bread and pasts to their complete hearts desire, and those who now eat potentially significant levels have achieved that after a period of adjustment
For me, the issue is how everyone chooses to make up the calories they ditch when giving up the bread, spuds, past and sugars.
I think we're really all arguing over detail here, but I cannot think of anyone arriving here who is not asking, roughly, the "what do I do?", question.
I'm not arguing with you, but what would you see as being an appropriate initial message? For me, had I not learned anything meaningful on my first visit, I doubt I would have come back.
I specifically didn't ask about the fat elements of your diet, probably because that is exactly where I see the divisions between the sides. I cannot think of anyone who posts on here, and has decent control who has continued to eat biscuits, cakes, potatoes, bread and pasts to their complete hearts desire, and those who now eat potentially significant levels have achieved that after a period of adjustment
For me, the issue is how everyone chooses to make up the calories they ditch when giving up the bread, spuds, past and sugars.
I think we're really all arguing over detail here, but I cannot think of anyone arriving here who is not asking, roughly, the "what do I do?", question.
I'm not arguing with you, but what would you see as being an appropriate initial message? For me, had I not learned anything meaningful on my first visit, I doubt I would have come back.
For me I just wanted support and a sense of belonging ..that happens more by pm...than on the site ....I specifically didn't ask about the fat elements of your diet, probably because that is exactly where I see the divisions between the sides. I cannot think of anyone who posts on here, and has decent control who has continued to eat biscuits, cakes, potatoes, bread and pasts to their complete hearts desire, and those who now eat potentially significant levels have achieved that after a period of adjustment
For me, the issue is how everyone chooses to make up the calories they ditch when giving up the bread, spuds, past and sugars.
I think we're really all arguing over detail here, but I cannot think of anyone arriving here who is not asking, roughly, the "what do I do?", question.
I'm not arguing with you, but what would you see as being an appropriate initial message? For me, had I not learned anything meaningful on my first visit, I doubt I would have come back.
Would you then be suggesting the advice on carb reduction would be your route, but would you always assume everyone needed to make up the calories, and you would always suggest an alternative in your initial response?
If not what would be your advice to a newbie?
Do you have the answer we are looking for ...I specifically didn't ask about the fat elements of your diet, probably because that is exactly where I see the divisions between the sides. I cannot think of anyone who posts on here, and has decent control who has continued to eat biscuits, cakes, potatoes, bread and pasts to their complete hearts desire, and those who now eat potentially significant levels have achieved that after a period of adjustment
For me, the issue is how everyone chooses to make up the calories they ditch when giving up the bread, spuds, past and sugars.
I think we're really all arguing over detail here, but I cannot think of anyone arriving here who is not asking, roughly, the "what do I do?", question.
I'm not arguing with you, but what would you see as being an appropriate initial message? For me, had I not learned anything meaningful on my first visit, I doubt I would have come back.
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