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LCHF diet to help you lose weight, not diabetes

izzzi said:
My problem might just be me missing or not seeing support from Diabetes .co.uk regarding LCHF.
I should not be that if you mention LCHF you become a trouble maker, Thank goodness I apologized in advance.
With me being on a vegan type diet I could do with a lamb shank right now.
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That's true I haven't seen any support from them either. LCHF has helped so many of us control our diabetes without drugs or with less insulin and less drugs.....................we can't all be wrong, and there's scientific evidence to support it now, so it does make you wonder why Diabetes.co.uk doesn't tell everyone, doesn't it?
 
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Micky25 said:
I can understand low carb doesn't suit all and that's fine but from what I read a few are against it but off no viable alternative ? I'd hate to ram a particular diet down someone's throat but to suggest newly diagnosed are not ready for dietary advice is ridiculous. That is exactly what they do want.
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Good point! At least that way they have a choice and some hope that not all is going out of control. I think that's possibly one of the things I like about lowering carb, I have so much control over my health.
 
izzzi said:
Yes you make good point. My diabetes is not weight related, that is my point.
Everything I read regarding LCHF is beneficial, I have no problem with that. I just think your message comes across a little heavy handed.
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I think it would be worth pointing out to new members, that LCHF will decrease the bodies ability to process carbs later. It will skew any GTT, that may be a second stage in the diagnosis, and may push a possible pre diabetic into a diabetic diagnosis incorrectly, and if they later get a meter, and eat a small amount of carbs to see how they're getting on with the diabetes, they will get an artificially high reading which will be worrying.

Also, many LCHF do restrict their calorie intake, which again is worth mentioning, as we seem to have had a fair number of new posters not losing weight when they are trying to, and subsequently having the calorie restriction explained by other members.
 
douglas99 said:
I think it would be worth pointing out to new members, that LCHF will decrease the bodies ability to process carbs later. It will skew any GTT, that may be a second stage in the diagnosis, and may push a possible pre diabetic into a diabetic diagnosis incorrectly, and if they later get a meter, and eat a small amount of carbs to see how they're getting on with the diabetes, they will get an artificially high reading which will be worrying.

Also, many LCHF do restrict their calorie intake, which again is worth mentioning, as we seem to have had a fair number of new posters not losing weight when they are trying to, and subsequently having the calorie restriction explained by other members.
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Now to my mind, this is the first misleading post on this thread. I have never had a GTT test but through reading threads on this forum I have learnt that you are told to eat a certain amount of carbs for a few days before one, so that it isn't skewed. I have never seen any evidence that LCHF permanently decreases the body's ability to process carbs later. As I pointed out to you a short while back Douglas, this is merely the enzymes trying to catch up with any change of diet, it only takes a few days. It does this if you suddenly eat more protein or more fat too. The key is gradual change.

There are many reasons why people do not lose weight. Calorie intake is but one, thyroid problems, not enough exercise, not enough water to drink, vitamin D deficiency to name but a few. These people would have problems losing weight whatever diet they were on, and cutting carbs is the most sensible way for anyone to lose weight. Carbs are not necessary, fats are.

I have written this response for any newbies reading Douglas's scaremongering.
 
An inconvenient truth maybe, but if you believe all the facts are scaremongering, as you don't seem to deny them, and in fact, I am glad you do agree it's important to advise ' to eat a certain amount of carbs for a few days before one' and that ' never seen any evidence that LCHF permanently decreases the body's ability to process carbs later' but it's certainly a temporary effect.

Newbies do need all the information, as you say.
It would be a shame if you didn't tell them, and scared them with a sky high incorrect meter reading.
 
douglas99 said:
I think it would be worth pointing out to new members, that LCHF will decrease the bodies ability to process carbs later. It will skew any GTT, that may be a second stage in the diagnosis, and may push a possible pre diabetic into a diabetic diagnosis incorrectly, and if they later get a meter, and eat a small amount of carbs to see how they're getting on with the diabetes, they will get an artificially high reading which will be worrying.

Also, many LCHF do restrict their calorie intake, which again is worth mentioning, as we seem to have had a fair number of new posters not losing weight when they are trying to, and subsequently having the calorie restriction explained by other members.
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Another negative post which is a shame. Anyone can criticize, the wise person comes up with a viable alternative. A newly diagnosed wants to be told what to do, not what they shouldn't do. I find it so odd that other diabetics refute low carb. How can we persuade the NHS when we can't even agree amongst ourselves ? Remember, no advice will suit all but surely we should promote the message that will at least benefit the majority.
 
Micky25 said:
Another negative post which is a shame. Anyone can criticize, the wise person comes up with a viable alternative. A newly diagnosed wants to be told what to do, not what they shouldn't do. I find it so odd that other diabetics refute low carb. How can we persuade the NHS when we can't even agree amongst ourselves ? Remember, no advice will suit all but surely we should promote the message that will at least benefit the majority.
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I do find it interesting that simply advising that you need to eat carbs before a GTT, and that the body needs to adjust to carbs again, is such a negative?
It is a fact, zand also just stated it, why is it upsetting to see it posted on here, particularly to those who have just arrived, and won't have the first clue about it? Should it be hidden from them?
 
The whole problem as I see it is the term LCHF (low carb/high fat). This term gets bandied about without deeper explanations. If you ask 20 people on here what it actually means you will get 20 different answers. Am I a low carber on 60 to 65g of carbs? I have no idea. I am certainly a reduced carber. Am I a High fat person? Again I have no idea. I ate 80g of it yesterday, which doesn't seem excessively high to me.

It seems to me the term LCHF needs banning and replacing with RCIF (reduced carbs/increased fats) then newbies can decide for themselves how much to reduce carbs and increase fats by using their meters and calorie counting to ensure they are consuming just enough energy to lose or maintain weight.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
The whole problem as I see it is the term LCHF (low carb/high fat). This term gets bandied about without deeper explanations. If you ask 20 people on here what it actually means you will get 20 different answers. Am I a low carber on 60 to 65g of carbs? I have no idea. I am certainly a reduced carber. Am I a High fat person? Again I have no idea. I ate 80g of it yesterday, which doesn't seem excessively high to me.

It seems to me the term LCHF needs banning and replacing with RCIF (reduced carbs/increased fats) then newbies can decide for themselves how much to reduce carbs and increase fats by using their meters and calorie counting to ensure they are consuming just enough energy to lose or maintain weight.
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An excellent suggestion.
It would also help if people actually put in their signature what they believe they ate, in terms of calories, percentages fat/carbs/protein etc. I've seen anything from 30 to 80% of fats as high fat, I've seen the Newcastle diet described as low carb, (simply on the number of calories in it)
Dispel the myths and maybe the fighting would die down a bit.
 
bit hard to ban LCHF when that's what it's called..no one here made up the name bluetit

to work out your fats to high or low bulrtit ..nobody tell doug but at 33% he's high fat

Low fat (98) Emphasizes vegetables, fruits, starches (e.g., breads/crackers, pasta, whole grains, starchy vegetables), lean protein, and low-fat dairy products.
LF Defined as total fat intake, <30% of total energy intake and saturated fat intake,<10%.
http://www.professional.diabetes.or...=DP&s_src=vanity&s_subsrc=nutritionguidelines
 
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douglas99 said:
I do find it interesting that simply advising that you need to eat carbs before a GTT, and that the body needs to adjust to carbs again, is such a negative?
It is a fact, zand also just stated it, why is it upsetting to see it posted on here, particularly to those who have just arrived, and won't have the first clue about it? Should it be hidden from them?
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The reason it's negative is that you offer no alternative. You appear to only look for fault. I would and have never suggested low carb suits all but it certainly aids the majority.
 
douglas99 said:
I do find it interesting that simply advising that you need to eat carbs before a GTT, and that the body needs to adjust to carbs again, is such a negative?
It is a fact, zand also just stated it, why is it upsetting to see it posted on here, particularly to those who have just arrived, and won't have the first clue about it? Should it be hidden from them?
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There is no need to mention GTT tests to newbies. Not everyone has one. Their HCP's advise on how many carbs to have and for how long (well that's what I've read on this forum anyway) so you really don't need to worry about that one Douglas. The body always has to adjust to any big changes in diet, it isn't LCHF that causes this.
 
Micky25 said:
The reason it's negative is that you offer no alternative. You appear to only look for fault. I would and have never suggested low carb suits all but it certainly aids the majority.
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You'll have to re-read it I guess.

There is actually no negatives in there, no suggestion as to nothing that shouldn't be done, no suggestion LCHF shouldn't be the first thing a newbie, with a completely unknown history, unknown results, at an unknown stage in their treatment should see, but in fact the paragraphs start with

I think it would be worth pointing out to new members,......................................

....................which again is worth mentioning............

Two positive suggestions.

I guess you are reading what you want to read?
 
zand said:
There is no need to mention GTT tests to newbies. Not everyone has one. Their HCP's advise on how many carbs to have and for how long (well that's what I've read on this forum anyway) so you really don't need to worry about that one Douglas. The body always has to adjust to any big changes in diet, it isn't LCHF that causes this.
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Again, advice for all, one size fits all, we don't need to know anything about you, just jump in?

Let's not worry?

Poor.
 
So what would be your opening post Douglas ? What will you tell them to eat ? Remember though, you know nothing about them and one size must fit all.
 
Micky25 said:
So what would be your opening post Douglas ? What will you tell them to eat ? Remember though, you know nothing about them and one size must fit all.
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You're right, I don't.
I don't feel the need to get everyone on a LCHF diet instantly
If you check my first posts, instead of jumping in with a diet as the first response, I normally ask a bit of background.

A personal response seems more helpful to me.
 
jack412 said:
as per ADA
over 30 % you're high fat
under 40% you're low carb

doug at 33% of each is low carb high fat...isn't life funny :)
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Excellent, I will now feel fully justified to post whenever I see low carb high fat, with all your blessings, as I am now one of the team, and seem to have your approval of my diet. Thank you zand and mickey as well.

No more on the subject needs to be said.
BFFs
 
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