I didn't say I was doing LCHF, nor did I say LCHF doesn't work, though I did respond to the thread with that title. I was at pains to say that under 100 carbs daily is low FOR ME. Personally, I don't think it's the best idea for ME to go straight from a "normal" diabetes oblivious diet consisting among other things of a lot of fruit and milk, to the other extreme of LCHF. Also LCHF is clearly more difficult for people like me who have vegetarian tendencies. But this was not what I was talking about.
I very much appreciate this forum, it's a real life saver. I also think it is a pity that it seems to be dominated by aggressive born again LCHFers. I much prefer the gentler, more co-operative approach to be found in the vegan/vegetarian section. Can the myth that meat eaters are more aggressive really be true???
I very much appreciate this forum, it's a real life saver. I also think it is a pity that it seems to be dominated by aggressive born again LCHFers. I much prefer the gentler, more co-operative approach to be found in the vegan/vegetarian section. Can the myth that meat eaters are more aggressive really be true???
I would say tongue in cheek, but then that is meat again, so some may find it offensive.Naughty!. But you will be pleased to know, Sweden is positively brimming with LCHFers, and Swedes are a very conflict-avoidant bunch as a rule. (Just don't have them bearing down on you on a bicycle! .)
My daughter is an LCHFing vegetarian - it does happen, but yes, it really helps to be dairy tolerant, and have a heap of lactase to deal with the heaps of lactose in the heaps of dairy one can be consuming. I do, and she does, thank goodness.
Jokes are good. I will continue the joke and say - maybe meat eaters aren't more aggressive, but just have heaps of energy due to the more than adequate nutrients they are getting from a species-appropriate diet.
Seriously though, I have always respected and admired vegetarians and vegans enormously for putting compassion and good ethics towards animals before good eating, good digestion, and good nutrition. You got to admire that! But making them less aggressive? A vegan told my daughter recently that I would be dead in two weeks due to my lovely meat-y and fat-ty diet. I didn't find that bursting with compassion. (I think having parents with chronic health conditions makes courageous strong types out of many of our children. At least in the face of an aggressive vegan.) (T2 isn't always chronic, but mine seems to be.)
Excuse me taking up the going off topic there. Just couldn't resist....
I didn't say I was doing LCHF, nor did I say LCHF doesn't work, though I did respond to the thread with that title. I was at pains to say that under 100 carbs daily is low FOR ME. Personally, I don't think it's the best idea for ME to go straight from a "normal" diabetes oblivious diet consisting among other things of a lot of fruit and milk, to the other extreme of LCHF. Also LCHF is clearly more difficult for people like me who have vegetarian tendencies. But this was not what I was talking about.
I very much appreciate this forum, it's a real life saver. I also think it is a pity that it seems to be dominated by aggressive born again LCHFers. I much prefer the gentler, more co-operative approach to be found in the vegan/vegetarian section. Can the myth that meat eaters are more aggressive really be true???
Sorry Kristin, of course I didn't mean you, or anyone else peacably following the LCHF method and trying to share what you have learned. I was after all agreeing with the belief that you and others often so rightly mention, that we are all different and need to find our own strategies. Of course I can see that lots of people are doing really well on LCHF. I was reacting to the way some people are so impressed with LCHF they disparage any other strategies and make it hard for anyone else trying for something different to get a word in.Agressive lchf born again?? Because it works for loads of us. Especially type 2 and manyntype 1. I can't seem to find a way to get enough plant protein to keep bs stable. Vegetarian must be difficult to control bs and no idea how one would do keto.
But aggressive lchf born again? A bit insulting as it's helped many of us gain control of bs.
Naughty!. But you will be pleased to know, Sweden is positively brimming with LCHFers, and Swedes are a very conflict-avoidant bunch as a rule. (Just don't have them bearing down on you on a bicycle! .)
My daughter is an LCHFing vegetarian - it does happen, but yes, it really helps to be dairy tolerant, and have a heap of lactase to deal with the heaps of lactose in the heaps of dairy one can be consuming. I do, and she does, thank goodness.
Jokes are good. I will continue the joke and say - maybe meat eaters aren't more aggressive, but just have heaps of energy due to the more than adequate nutrients they are getting from a species-appropriate diet.
Seriously though, I have always respected and admired vegetarians and vegans enormously for putting compassion and good ethics towards animals before good eating, good digestion, and good nutrition. You got to admire that! But making them less aggressive? A vegan told my daughter recently that I would be dead in two weeks due to my lovely meat-y and fat-ty diet. I didn't find that bursting with compassion. (I think having parents with chronic health conditions makes courageous strong types out of many of our children. At least in the face of an aggressive vegan.) (T2 isn't always chronic, but mine seems to be.)
Excuse me taking up the going off topic there. Just couldn't resist....
No worries!!!Sorry Kristin, of course I didn't mean you, or anyone else peacably following the LCHF method and trying to share what you have learned. I was after all agreeing with the belief that you and others often so rightly mention, that we are all different and need to find our own strategies. Of course I can see that lots of people are doing really well on LCHF. I was reacting to the way some people are so impressed with LCHF they disparage any other strategies and make it hard for anyone else trying for something different to get a word in.
I fear this may be off topic, but I had to take the opportunity to ask you about your and your daughter's capacity to eat dairy. Before I got my A1c of 41 I was happily consuming LOTS of milk and yoghurt, but now I am counting carbs (keeping under 100 daily) I can't allow myself more than two-three helpings a day. Yet I notice other people too in their posts seem to regard yoghurt as carb free. What is going on here? Do carbs in milk etc raise some people's bgs less than other foods? Maybe I should start a separate thread about this.
And yes, as I was writing my previous post I did recollect that vegans can be extremely aggressive too. It was just that the ones I've encountered here are so nice and having the kind of collaborative discussion I'd like to have everywhere.
Natural yogurt is generally much lower in carbs than milk because most of the milk sugar ( lactose) is eaten by the bacteria during the fermentation process that turns milk into yogurt . Full fat live / probiotic yogurt is the best in this regard. For the same reason, natural yogurt is tolerated well by many people who are lactose intolerantSorry Kristin, of course I didn't mean you, or anyone else peacably following the LCHF method and trying to share what you have learned. I was after all agreeing with the belief that you and others often so rightly mention, that we are all different and need to find our own strategies. Of course I can see that lots of people are doing really well on LCHF. I was reacting to the way some people are so impressed with LCHF they disparage any other strategies and make it hard for anyone else trying for something different to get a word in.
I fear this may be off topic, but I had to take the opportunity to ask you about your and your daughter's capacity to eat dairy. Before I got my A1c of 41 I was happily consuming LOTS of milk and yoghurt, but now I am counting carbs (keeping under 100 daily) I can't allow myself more than two-three helpings a day. Yet I notice other people too in their posts seem to regard yoghurt as carb free. What is going on here? Do carbs in milk etc raise some people's bgs less than other foods? Maybe I should start a separate thread about this.
And yes, as I was writing my previous post I did recollect that vegans can be extremely aggressive too. It was just that the ones I've encountered here are so nice and having the kind of collaborative discussion I'd like to have everywhere.
Thanks Guzzler have reposted in "Ask a Question" segment nowHello and welcome RedDragon. You may get more answers to your question by posting it in the 'Ask a Question' segment of the forum. When you go into that segment someone will tag daisy1 who will give you some basic information and I am sure that the lovely people who are doing a Keto diet/lifestyle will be happy to recommend and provide links to books and authors on the subject.
Sorry Kristin, of course I didn't mean you or any other LCHF adopter who is peacably following their path orAgressive lchf born again?? Because it works for loads of us. Especially type 2 and manyntype 1. I can't seem to find a way to get enough plant protein to keep bs stable. Vegetarian must be difficult to control bs and no idea how one would do keto.
But aggressive lchf born again? A bit insulting as it's helped many of us gain control of bs.
No worries!!!
I think milk and yogurt raise a lot of people's bs. I don't eat them as I'm a bit lactose intolerant and too carby for me but an ounce or so of cheese doesn't raise me. But the cheeses I eat have no carbs.
Sorry, I didn't mean to get snippy. Was having one of those days. I'm so stupid carb sensative it's ridiculous and it makes me sad sometimes.
My whole playing field has changed in th last two weeks. Having some hypos and no idea why. I'm just off kilter lately.
Not sure that is completely correct @badcat.. the lowest yoghurt I can find is 3.7g of carbs per 100g full fat milk is 4.7g per 100ml most full fat yoghurt that I have founds is usually 5 or more g per 100g. The lactofree full fat milk I have in my tea is 2.7g per 100ml.Natural yogurt is generally much lower in carbs than milk because most of the milk sugar ( lactose) is eaten by the bacteria during the fermentation process that turns milk into yogurt . Full fat live / probiotic yogurt is the best in this regard. For the same reason, natural yogurt is tolerated well by many people who are lactose intolerant
I fear this may be off topic, but I had to take the opportunity to ask you about your and your daughter's capacity to eat dairy. Before I got my A1c of 41 I was happily consuming LOTS of milk and yoghurt, but now I am counting carbs (keeping under 100 daily) I can't allow myself more than two-three helpings a day. Yet I notice other people too in their posts seem to regard yoghurt as carb free. What is going on here? Do carbs in milk etc raise some people's bgs less than other foods? Maybe I should start a separate thread about this.
And yes, as I was writing my previous post I did recollect that vegans can be extremely aggressive too. It was just that the ones I've encountered here are so nice and having the kind of collaborative discussion I'd like to have everywhere.
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