This was shown on Sky New and I was wondering what thoughts people have: chttps://news.sky.com/story/three-dietary-factors-most-to-blame-for-the-increase-in-type-2-diabetes-research-says-12859590
Thanks.
Thanks.
Looking for New News on Diabetes
- Thread starter NostalgicNeg
- Start Date
jjraak
Expert
- Messages
- 8,063
- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
- Treatment type
- Tablets (oral)
Mmhhh
Link
Sure it's many & varied
But I tend to distrust a lot of the news these days
And here's just such a case.
1999 - 2016
Processed meat ....mmhh
Red meat...mmhh.
As a person who eats meat quite a lot & beef quite happily .
I'm not sure that there definition of meat coincides with mine.
No scientist, but when those with vested interests sponsor at vast expense much of our research driven corporations, universities & scientific endeavours, I'm sceptical of everything.
Duk a case in point, hello coca cola.
Sure the 10 food companies that run everything are only spending such sums for the good of humanity.
Is this one such biased view,...mmmh.
Who can say.
The increase in meat, particularly the oft quoted red meat...?
possibly the rise in fast food especially beef in burgers, with the associated bun fries & apple pie & the fast food explosion going on a pace the world over ?
For me red meat is normally steak.
Cooked by me, with 2 or 3 overground vegetables....nom nom nom
Along with all the other meat & vegetables I cook, all Helped return my T2D to normal numbers within 6 months, while keeping me well fed ....
Not sure my data supports the red meat or meat causes diabetes .
But there again I'm not sponsored by one of the 10 food Corp's, so I admit to being biased
Poor quality carbs & over processed meat in ready meals, I can buy that though.....
Link
Sure it's many & varied
But I tend to distrust a lot of the news these days
And here's just such a case.
1999 - 2016
Processed meat ....mmhh
Red meat...mmhh.
As a person who eats meat quite a lot & beef quite happily .
I'm not sure that there definition of meat coincides with mine.
No scientist, but when those with vested interests sponsor at vast expense much of our research driven corporations, universities & scientific endeavours, I'm sceptical of everything.
Duk a case in point, hello coca cola.
Sure the 10 food companies that run everything are only spending such sums for the good of humanity.
Is this one such biased view,...mmmh.
Who can say.
The increase in meat, particularly the oft quoted red meat...?
possibly the rise in fast food especially beef in burgers, with the associated bun fries & apple pie & the fast food explosion going on a pace the world over ?
For me red meat is normally steak.
Cooked by me, with 2 or 3 overground vegetables....nom nom nom
Along with all the other meat & vegetables I cook, all Helped return my T2D to normal numbers within 6 months, while keeping me well fed ....
Not sure my data supports the red meat or meat causes diabetes .
But there again I'm not sponsored by one of the 10 food Corp's, so I admit to being biased
Poor quality carbs & over processed meat in ready meals, I can buy that though.....
Last edited:
Oldvatr
Expert
- Messages
- 8,453
- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
- Treatment type
- Tablets (oral)
The Professor leading this study is a declared vegan. The School is the School of Natural Sciences, which is also a give away. The requirement for whole grains, and non starchy veg and loads of fruit is a clue. the inclusion of processed meat as a major cause of T2D is perhaps a sign of bias?
The school is in Boston, which also has Harvard Uni and the WFPB HQ both of which obtain funding for natural science studies based on plants.
Couldn't possibly be bias.....pure virtue.......like the significant vegan input to the Eatwell advice.
Rotten for those vegans that quietly go about their chosen lifestyle without trying to hector the world into following it with dud factoids.
Rotten for those vegans that quietly go about their chosen lifestyle without trying to hector the world into following it with dud factoids.
- Messages
- 21,884
- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
- Treatment type
- Diet only
Looks like they are claiming 'red meat, processed meat and potatoes' as the main culprits (in @jjraak 's link)
Also not enough whole grains and too many refined carbs.
So, serious question:
Does anybody eating 'a standard diet' ever eat red meat and processed carbs without other foods?
I mean, bacon (processed) is inconceivable without the makings of a sarnie, or a hash brown, or beans, or mash...
And who eats a hunk of protein without a side of potatoes, or chips, or rice, or some crusty bread?...
And then those carbs are usually served with veg oils as chips, or as mash, or dauphinoise, or fried rice, or a sauce, often with good portion of protein
So each of them usually come with a combination of fats, proteins and carbs - which combine together to require increased amounts of insulin over time (fat slows digestion) and (potentially) lead to a whole variety of metabolic issues including T2.
The problem with trying to isolate one food, or group of foods, and blaming them for a particular illness, is that it isn't a single food that causes the issue - it is combining foods and overloading the body's capacity to cope.
Keto has lots of protein and fat and v little carb - which works well for weight loss and avoiding raises in blood glucose
Plant based whole foods has lots of fibre, complex carbs, lower protein and very little fat - which works well for slow steady digestion and if blood glucose rises, it usually drops again quickly, because the insulin isn't bumped up by fat.
But, as I said earlier, fat, protein and simple carbs, all eaten together is just too much for the body to cope with over decades. Expecially with a sedentary lifestyle, or any pre-existing health issues and hereditary factors.
It isn't the red or processed meats, or even the potatoes - it is the combinations with which they are eaten, over time.
Although, the more processed a food is, and the more often it is eaten, is going to do us less benefit than unprocessed.
Edited multiple times for sense, grammar, and spelling!
Also not enough whole grains and too many refined carbs.
So, serious question:
Does anybody eating 'a standard diet' ever eat red meat and processed carbs without other foods?
I mean, bacon (processed) is inconceivable without the makings of a sarnie, or a hash brown, or beans, or mash...
And who eats a hunk of protein without a side of potatoes, or chips, or rice, or some crusty bread?...
And then those carbs are usually served with veg oils as chips, or as mash, or dauphinoise, or fried rice, or a sauce, often with good portion of protein
So each of them usually come with a combination of fats, proteins and carbs - which combine together to require increased amounts of insulin over time (fat slows digestion) and (potentially) lead to a whole variety of metabolic issues including T2.
The problem with trying to isolate one food, or group of foods, and blaming them for a particular illness, is that it isn't a single food that causes the issue - it is combining foods and overloading the body's capacity to cope.
Keto has lots of protein and fat and v little carb - which works well for weight loss and avoiding raises in blood glucose
Plant based whole foods has lots of fibre, complex carbs, lower protein and very little fat - which works well for slow steady digestion and if blood glucose rises, it usually drops again quickly, because the insulin isn't bumped up by fat.
But, as I said earlier, fat, protein and simple carbs, all eaten together is just too much for the body to cope with over decades. Expecially with a sedentary lifestyle, or any pre-existing health issues and hereditary factors.
It isn't the red or processed meats, or even the potatoes - it is the combinations with which they are eaten, over time.
Although, the more processed a food is, and the more often it is eaten, is going to do us less benefit than unprocessed.
Edited multiple times for sense, grammar, and spelling!
Last edited:
