low carb & cream

Nobody is here to make you feel ill. If there are foods that upset your stomach then it doesn't make sense to force them down. Get fat elsewhere. Stop worrying about chicken skin and low fat yogurts etc.

Dietitians worldwide are trying to save face. You can't say low carb in Australia, you have to say modified carb. They suffered a setback in South Africa with the Noakes case and have gone very quiet. America just gave the recommendations back to the FDA and told them to do it again.

Britain and Canada are slowly coming round but are a bit mealy mouthed. I daresay that some dietitians are still not entirely comfortable but you must make up your own mind.

centaur68 said:

cheers Squire..
just to confirm & understand what you said, ok to stay with skimmed milk but don't worry about eating chicken skin & hunting around for low fat stuff?
I'll get there in the end

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Depends on what you are trying to do.. milk (depending on how much you have of course) is relatively high carb compared to cream. I use the lactofree versions (personally full fat) because that is lower carb but I only have it in tea. I use double cream in coffee.
Chicken skin is fine and tasty but only if you are carb restricted.. the combination of eating fats alongside carbs is not going to help with lowering blood sugars or weight loss. We probably need to know a bit more about your aims/medication/ diagnosis before giving more specific advice.

centaur68 said:

cheers Squire..
just to confirm & understand what you said, ok to stay with skimmed milk but don't worry about eating chicken skin & hunting around for low fat stuff?
I'll get there in the end

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More or less what I meant, yes. The whole idea is to find foods that comply with the need to control your blood sugar level and not make you feel worse. The success of the low carb diet is mostly down to the fact that there are a lot of low carb foods that are nice and you don't have to weigh anything or count calories.

Ever since Ancel Keyes we have been advised to avoid fat. It was bad advice. You don't have to force feed yourself lots of fat but if something in the supermarket says low fat then put it back on the shelf. When they take the fat out they usually replace it with sugar to make it taste better.

centaur68 said:

thanks for that guys.
bulkbiker - not sure of aims other than to lose bit of weight I put on & get my fitness / strength levels back up (harder now I'm approaching 50 !!) diagnosed as type 2 fortnight ago, levels were "borderline" apparently but as diabetes is heavily in family they started me on metformin 500mg & a statin (cholesterol borderline too) today been put on metformin 500 modified release X1 per day for 2 weeks then to twice a day. due for blood tests in fortnight too then see nurse practitioner

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My first piece of advice is to get hold of a copy of your test results - blood glucose, HbA1c, cholesterol, lipids and anything else you had. You can ask your surgery for a print out. You could also enquire (if you are in England) if your test results are available to you on-line as all surgeries were asked to do this before April 2016 and most have complied. You need these actual figures. Borderline means absolutely nothing. Which side of the border are you on, and by how much? You need to know where you are starting from and how much work you have to do.

My second piece of advice is to use the search box to find many threads on the forum discussing cholesterol and statins. The NHS wants all diabetics on statins whether they need them or not. Statins are also known to raise blood sugar levels (see the information leaflet inside your packet) and can cause nasty side effects - not necessarily immediately, but years down the line too. Read up all about it then make up your own mind about whether you need to take them.

Lastly, to answer your question. I use skimmed milk, but only in my tea. I don't drink any milk other than that.

Oooh - chicken skins.
I have an Actifry device, and toss in a pack of chicken thighs, cook until crisp, and these days I take them out and put in mushrooms to cook in the fat and juices left behind - and the skins mysteriously evaporate whilst they are waiting.......

It's somewhat unusual to have problems with full fat milk but be ok with skimmed. The milk fat is usually the least likely part of the milk to cause digestive problems, at least in most people.

It's mostly either the lactose or a component of the protein that gives some people problems with milk, and those are both in relatively lower proportion (to the total calories) in full fat milk. Personally I'm way worse with low fat milk products.