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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bulkbiker" data-source="post: 1861079" data-attributes="member: 219467">No, you are thinking of the mice study where they were fed on vegetable fats which they alleged was a ketogenic diet. In fact of course feeding the mice on a vegetable fat diet would be far closer to a vegan way of eating than keto. Last time I looked I wasn't a mouse either.. It does get very confusing when so much bad science is published at the same time. Still I guess it keeps the debunkers in gainful employment. I just wish these studies would get some kind of "b****hit" rating so we can tell if there is any point in reading them (or the newspaper reports written off the back of them).For your info a ketogenic diet does not cut all fruit and veg just most fruit and starchy veg. There are a lot of greens consumed and some berries.Fibre it seems is not so essential as we once thought although the jury seems to be out at the moment. Carnivore diets, which I think is what you are confusing with keto, indeed do cut out all fruit and veg but so far I haven't heard of anyone dropping dead from them either. So those essential nutrients from fruit and veg may not be quite so essential as we once thought.</blockquote>

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