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<blockquote data-quote="Oldvatr" data-source="post: 1861224" data-attributes="member: 196898"><p>I find this guy very difficult to understand exactly what point he is making. He seems to skip around all over the place. Mohammed Ali did it so much better and stung like a bee to boot.</p><p></p><p>What is his point ? is it the way they followed those participants? Well the endpoint being considered by the study is all cause mortality, which is freely available from public records in USA. The only requisite is that your death is noted in the public record. You gotta be dead within the 25 years else you are a survivor. Tick appropriate column. That is why the study could not identify any particular trajectory for any of their participants such as CVE, CHF, Stroke etc. i,e info that matters. </p><p></p><p>There is a parallel study (Harvard Nurses Study) that has a large participant pool, but also collect COD data so meaningful correlation is possible. That study has not so far drawn the same conclusions. Some Australian studies are ongoing and use actual hospital data to correlate their conclusions. Here in the UK we rely on the manufacturers and suppliers to provide the data. perform the analysis, and present their conclusions (Note: I said THEIR conclusions) </p><p></p><p>In USA the NIH is federal funded. Here we have NICE which is gov funded, Neither is supposed to be corrupt, is it? Neither has any agenda and are totally(?) independant. I mean, Eatwell has no vested interests has it? NOOoooo! not at all. just a few farmers and food sellers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldvatr, post: 1861224, member: 196898"] I find this guy very difficult to understand exactly what point he is making. He seems to skip around all over the place. Mohammed Ali did it so much better and stung like a bee to boot. What is his point ? is it the way they followed those participants? Well the endpoint being considered by the study is all cause mortality, which is freely available from public records in USA. The only requisite is that your death is noted in the public record. You gotta be dead within the 25 years else you are a survivor. Tick appropriate column. That is why the study could not identify any particular trajectory for any of their participants such as CVE, CHF, Stroke etc. i,e info that matters. There is a parallel study (Harvard Nurses Study) that has a large participant pool, but also collect COD data so meaningful correlation is possible. That study has not so far drawn the same conclusions. Some Australian studies are ongoing and use actual hospital data to correlate their conclusions. Here in the UK we rely on the manufacturers and suppliers to provide the data. perform the analysis, and present their conclusions (Note: I said THEIR conclusions) In USA the NIH is federal funded. Here we have NICE which is gov funded, Neither is supposed to be corrupt, is it? Neither has any agenda and are totally(?) independant. I mean, Eatwell has no vested interests has it? NOOoooo! not at all. just a few farmers and food sellers. [/QUOTE]
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