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Low Carb Just "a Fad".

- weight lifting is 25% of any diet
Weight lifting, or any other exercise has nothing to do with diet (other than needing to eatienough to support it).

Exercise may affect our weight - positively by increasinf muscle mass, negativlly by burning fat (which most people see as a positve outcome as well)

Diet is "what you choose to eat". (Unless you're German where it can be an important historical debate).
 
He's an idiot. I read somewhere low carb has been around since the 1800's. To be honest, I wouldn't waste my energy on him. Find another gym and get on with your life.
Actually slightly longer - see Google for John Rollo who in the 1790s used a ketogenic diet to treat diabetes - meat only though I believe this was actually rancid pork! ??

Robbity
 
Will you two pack it in! I’m trying to be an angry goldfish and this is having the opposite effect.
Well just don't waste your goldfishy time going round and round in circles trying to reason with idiots, especially those who think they know it all... It just gets you frustrated and never works!

Robbity
 
This is an interesting thread! Thank you .
I am a PT but can confirm that there is zero nutritional component in that qualification so he is using a public forum to air his personal views and should expect to be challenged; if he cannot explain those views rationally then what does his opinion matter?
He clearly needs to sell the benefits of strength training hence the overstated claim that it is 25% of any results; some of us are honest enough to say that diet is 90-99% of this and that it is critical to get your eating better before you waste your time and money in the gym. You may wish to remind him that body builders know all about low carb as a way to strip body fat away!
He is right though in that for longevity your strength (as a proxy for muscle mass) predicts how long you will live. Provided obese people go in gently and do not have very severe hypertension then weight lifing is a good metaboic conditioner because the more muscle mass you have the more sensitive to your own insulin you will be.
The type 2s I see tend to think that they should just be doing long bouts o f cycling or walking. If they ask about the best diet for a diabtetic I will talk about improving their diet in terms of the quantity and quality of carbs they are eating and where they could make improvements.

Many trainers and their clients believe that calories in/calories out works (in this paradigm sugar calories are no worse than carrot calories) because they know that a client who is overweight and adopts a low calorie (under 1500) diet then they will lose weight in the short term especially when they combine it with vigorous workouts! The client is happy to lose weight quickly and the trainer may be happy to show the quick fix transformation he/she has made whether or not that client then went and regained the weight when they inevitably stopped starving themselves. They will then simply berate themselves for being greedy/lazy and go through the diet/training cycle again until it gets too hard at which point they will blame ageing and give up!
 

Well he is behind the times because the NHS attitudes are changing, driven by the experience of patients like myself who have had quite bad diabetes for over a decade, gone on a low carb diets, lost more than 30 kilos, and are formally discharged as diabetics. Why argue with him?
But where does the 'this is a fad' argument come from? It seems curiously persistent. Look at the insistence of whoever writes for Wikipedia about branding the Atkins Diet as an ineffectual fad diet. I don't understand why we, and Diabetes UK, have not pressed Wikipedia in our numbers to suspend this -- as they will do if they are told that their entries are factually biassed and misleading and that entry certainly is. But it clearly comes from someone with a pharmaceutical or medical background.
I can tell you that none of my health professionals are dismissing my diet as a fad. The diabetes specialist nurse is the best -- and I am pretty sure this is because she has already seen other success stories like mine with the low carb diet. By the way, I am wearing a shirt this morning which I haven't previously been able to wear since about 1995. (If wearing a shirt that old that is something to be proud of!)
 

On proteins, there certainly can be an upper limit for some people as high protein can and does cause kidney damage to them.
 
i have been on the low carb healthy clean eating plan for 2years now and have lost 3 and a half stone and still losing. Never felt better and my levels have dropped from extremely high to 4.7 /5.4. This is a plan for life not a fad.
 
Well I've now spent 57 years on a fad diet that won't last.......not bad going, eh?
 
I think the issue as pointed out by others is a lack of education on the subject. As most of us on here have become somewhat experts we can see the issues with this guy's approach.
It may be, if you have time, that it would help him to gain wider insight by a little bit of education and mention that by being able to understand the varied approaches taken and researched by diabetics he can give his business wider reach, and a more sustainable client base.
Arguements and confrontation rarely work for either party.
Conversations that start with "Tell me about" work well and lead into the "OK that's great, really interesting. What's your view on ......

Followed by "have you considered research which may not agree 100% with your understanding"

Either that or change gym!
 
When my brother was diagnosed T2 a few months ago he obviously asked for my advice. His son, who is a very well paid personal trainer in London said that it was the wrong thing to do and to go down the route of CICO. He is now dumbfounded that my brother, his father, has lost three stone very easily and got his A1c below the threshold, it wasn't very high when diagnosed.
 
What is CICO?
 
Calorie in / Calorie out.
Is still in my opinion a valid PART of the arguement. If you overeat whether it is fat or carbs you will not lose weight.

As I have said on other posts, reduce calories, and for us T2, my preference is to get more of my calories from fat on an LCHF type diet.

We have specific and varied issues about how our systems work (or not) and how we use stored fat or even store fat is changed in our metabolism.

I also exercise and most of that is weights ( free weights at home - no gym)

So LCHF diet means you are actively managing your diet so likely also aware of carbs in any case.

My target is 2kg a month weight loss. Not more. And it's working for me.
 
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