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Low Carb Just "a Fad".

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by rhubarb73, Jul 18, 2018.

  1. Lamont D

    Lamont D Reactive hypoglycemia · Master

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    I work in sport, the attitude to diet is gradually changing, the idea of carbing up is still prevalent, but balanced for recovery is as important, because most sports people are still carb energy derived
    They would not achieve sustainable energy levels changing diet in mid season as such.
    But the problem is not the idea but the training of those in sport nutrition.
    The college's are very reluctant to change what has seemed to be successful sport training. You could compare doctors and dsns, nutritionist and sports nutritional training as being similar in dietary advice.
    They do promote so called healthy nutrition by cico, not what is healthy in the long term. They learn about low carb, but are adverse to promote it.

    I have had many interesting conversations with the nutritionists within my club, and most of them dismiss my claim of being in ketosis for four years. They don't believe that it is sustainable until I describe my condition and how I have to cope.
    I do get compliments about my weight loss and my energy.

    It is about education, as is a lot of dietary advice.
    Such as, eat to your meter.
    Eat every thing in moderation.
     
  2. Dinet

    Dinet Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    it sounds like that trainer is a bit of a fanatic, just like the low-carbs followers, afterall
     
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  3. rhubarb73

    rhubarb73 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I agree: and osteoporosis. The NHS guidance provides this advice online and an upper limit. So an unqualified PT is holding himself out to be a diet expert and posting incorrect medical advice that contradicts the DoHSC. I’ve written to management and they’ve promised to look into it. I don’t use it as a gym but play sport there.
     
  4. JohnEGreen

    JohnEGreen Other · Master

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    A study from 2007 I believe
    The effects of a low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet and a low-fat diet on mood, hunger, and other self-reported symptoms.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17228046

    And this from the
    Journal of the American Dietetic Association
    Volume 105, Issue 9, September 2005, Pages 1433-1437

    Just an abstract I'm afraid

    "The impact of a low-carbohydrate/high-protein diet compared with a high-carbohydrate/low-fat diet on ratings of hunger and cognitive eating restraint were examined. Overweight premenopausal women consumed a low-carbohydrate/high-protein (n=13) or high-carbohydrate/low-fat diet (n=15) for 6 weeks. Fasting body weight (BW) was measured and the Eating Inventory was completed at baseline, weeks 1 to 4, and week 6. All women experienced a reduction in BW (P<.01), although relative BW loss was greater in the low-carbohydrate/high-protein vs high-carbohydrate/low-fat group at week 6 (P<.05). Based on Eating Inventory scores, self-rated hunger decreased (P<.03) in women in the low-carbohydrate/high-protein but not in the high-carbohydrate/low-fat group from baseline to week 6. In both groups, self-rated cognitive eating restraint increased (P<.01) from baseline to week 1 and remained constant to week 6. Both diet groups reported increased cognitive eating restraint, facilitating short-term weight loss; however, the decrease in hunger perception in the low-carbohydrate/high-protein group may have contributed to a greater percentage of BW loss."

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000282230501151X
     
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  5. Zilsniggy

    Zilsniggy Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    How about referring him to Drs Volek and Phinney, also Professor Grant Schofield.............all well versed in the benefits of LCHF diets for sports performance, and experts. I don't think he can argue with their expertise, somehow.
     
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  6. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    Research states... Only if there is kidney disease already.
    I understand.
     
  7. Robin101

    Robin101 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Such as Diabetic nephropathy.
    Also there's a bunch of kidney diseases which, unless you show symptoms just sit in the background for years so high protein wouldn't help.
    In today's sensitive world any gym, or personal trainer should absolutely make sure they understand their clients health and stick with a signed fact sheet.
    Any hint of concern you ask the client to obtain a doctor's release to exercise / diet, whatever.
    Then too giving advice on diet can be properly targeted and informed?
     
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  8. Resurgam

    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    I edited the Wiki page on Atkins to include a single sentence on the use of it to control diabetes - it was removed within an hour.
     
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  9. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    Remind me again. What's Atkins diet in camparison to lchf diet?
     
  10. ickihun

    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    Your thread title reminded me of the horror when I saw my endo's last typed letter. Calling my low carb eating as a fad diet.

    I told bariatric surgeon I can only lose on said 'fad diet'.
    Dietician has agreed to 40g carb per meal. I'm getting somewhere at last.
     
  11. Resurgam

    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    Dr Atkins described the LCHF diet with methods to adapt it to the personal requirements of each individual.
    I did Atkins whenever I could get away with it - doctors hate it, and then when diagnosed with diabetes I found that the exact way of eating which enabled me to stop putting on weight was also the one which gave me normal blood test, at exactly the same amount of carbs a day.
    I use the last edition of New Diet Revolution - which was done by Dr Atkins rather than the Atkins Corporation.
     
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  12. Wilber123

    Wilber123 Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Report him to his Boss or ask him to prove his nonsense. He’s out of control and most likely has s very big head. idiot.
     
  13. Blip22

    Blip22 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Time will be the ultimate judge, when I suggested low carb around 2000 I was generally laughed at or told it was rubbish inspite of having just completed a degree in science and having diabetes. Now it's pretty much mainstream.Why? Because medical doctors, specialists and consultants are seeing results. In addition with technological advances it has been possible to reveal cause and effect and the huge diversity of blood sugar profiles that exist in diabetes. It's a bit like when at first it was believed the world was flat.
     
  14. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    I do not agree that LCHF is mainstream, not in the medical world anyway. Great strides are being made but the vast majority of those people newly diagnosed with a metabolic dysfunction will be given a prescription and told to come back in 3/6 months. If dietary advice is given it is usually Eatwell based.
    I have never been to a gym but have often wondered if some of the weight lifting fraternity are more concerned with aesthetics than they are about health. I suppose for PTs it is a matter of responsibility, one should only give dietary advice if on firm ground when it comes to being in a position of trust.
     
  15. rhubarb73

    rhubarb73 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    To be fair to the PT concerned, he does appear to be concerned about health and is genuinely trying to give health advice: it is just that he isn’t qualified and is giving some bad and inaccurate advice and generally being ham fisted in his approach- a little bit of knowledge is dangerous in the wrong hands.
     
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  16. wolfie53

    wolfie53 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    This trainer? Did he once work in Weatherfield? Lol
     
  17. Hoping4Cure

    Hoping4Cure Type 1 · BANNED

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    "A six pack is made in the kitchen, not the gym"
     
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  18. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Oh I like that one, may I steal?
     
  19. Hoping4Cure

    Hoping4Cure Type 1 · BANNED

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    It's not mine :) but from a friend who's a gym fiend. It is known.
     
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