Low carb/low calorie

google "The China study" , looking at 800 million chinese cancer hot spots and further research by Dr T Campbell

what he says 10% animal protein is the tipping point , your body only really needs 6% protein if this is Animal protein
in US average protein consumption is 16% guess what highest cancer
you dont need too much IGF-1 in your body

there is a whole boat load of info on internet, dont really want to bore you as this about Diabetes, but when your off work for 7 months, i did the research

of course the brain craves high calories and fats - gives more dopamine production than green salad
natures way of finding the high calories, but in our modern world with food an abundance.. most in western world over do it and get the predominantly western diseases diabetes, heart disease and cancer

mark3evo said:

google "The China study" , looking at 800 million chinese cancer hot spots and further research by Dr T Campbell

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Or maybe not

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-china-study-revisited/

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/

16 1/2 weeks ago I weighed 125kg.

Last Friday I weighed 101.8kg

I'm only having lunch and dinner at the moment.

At first having cheese as a snack and sugar free Jelly and extra thick cream made no difference to my weight loss. But now, if I snack on cheese or have sugar free jelly and cream as well, I stopped loosing weight .

Since starting this diet I have always had cheese to snack on and about 4 days a week also had Jelly and cream. Weight was falling off until October. As you can see, it stabilized.

Tue 2nd Oct: 104.9
Wed: 105.4
Thu: 105.6
Fri: 105.6
Sat: 104.8
Sun: 105.2
Mon: 105.2.
Tue: 104.2
Wed: 103.8
Thu: 104.3
Fri: 104.7
Sat: 104.3
Sun: 104.1
Mon: 104.4
Tue: 104.5
Wed: 104.7
Thu: 104.6
Fri: 104.3
Sat: 104.3
Sun: 104.3

That's the least I've lost on this diet .

Then from Monday 23rd I cut out the cheese and Jell;y/Cream (I weigh myself first thing in the morning after emptying bladder, hence Mondays reading is after Sundays cheese/Jelly/Cream

Mon: 104.6
Tue: 103.5
Wed: 103.0
The: 102.5
Fri: 102.1
Sat: 101.8


Which is odd, because I'm having almost zero carbs.

Dinner: 100g cabbage 3g carbs, meat zero carbs
Lunch, Bacon zero carbs, eggs fried, 0.8 carbs.

Total; at the moment, max 6 carbs

With the cheese (zero carbs), sugar free Jelly (zero carbs) and extra thick cream (1.5 carbs) it still only made 7.5 carbs a day, so haven't a clue why the weight stopped falling off .

I wasn't eating a whole tub of cream or a whole block of cheese etc. All I know is, the weight stopped coming off, but cutting down on food intake in addition to carbs is what appeared to start it up again.

AloeSvea said:

Whew! That is a lot of reading on The China Study I just did - many thanks to both @mark3evo, and @bulkbiker for directing me to the info, for and against, as it were.

And thanks to your contribution @Ojustaboo. Weight-loss issues are a big deal for us, for sure.

As I say to my non-diabetes friends and acquaintances who redundantly direct me to news articles on nutrition, weight etc and diabetes - you would NOT believe the extent we get into it on diabetes forums! It's big-time important for us, of course, and we pay attention. Boy oh boy, do we! (Don't bother sending it, I say - we have gone over that in depth to an extent you would not believe before you have even gotten up for breakfast .) (I am very proud of us.)

The carbs, the cals - if you can be bothered with the cals, and who would want to be bothered with numbers and counting if given the choice? What a bore! (Actually, of course I know some people who relish calorie counting. And all the power to them!) I too am one of those people who does need to restrict food intake alas, to force change in my poor old diabetic bod, when change is necessary for better health. (Like, now! For me. See my 5 point rise on my HBA1c referred to in my current signature.) But calorie counting - no way would I do it if fasting and IF promoted lasting fat stripping for me and my bod.

And y'all know what I think about meat, fish and seafood, poultry - lots and lots of very positive things! On eating them.

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You have to realise , there is big business out there , with lobby's for Beef, egg pork eTc they will invest millions to make sure no one gives bad words . For me i am a big believer in WHOLE FOOD PLANT BASED.

mark3evo said:

You have to realise , there is big business out there , with lobby's for Beef, egg pork eTc they will invest millions to make sure no one gives bad words . For me i am a big believer in WHOLE FOOD PLANT BASED.

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Have you reversed your T2 with WFPB? I am assuming WFPB is high carb? I ask because I started a thread asking for people who had reversed T2 on a high carb low fat diet to share so that others could learn from them.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...ission-by-following-hclf.157381/#post-1899880

mark3evo said:

You have to realise , there is big business out there , with lobby's for Beef, egg pork eTc they will invest millions to make sure no one gives bad words . For me i am a big believer in WHOLE FOOD PLANT BASED.

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26 weeks go you were saying how you vastly reduced your carbs, eliminated mot of them, and were doing well on LC reversing your diabetes.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...ol-with-chemotherapy-5-2-diet-fasting.144470/

lucylocket61 said:

26 weeks go you were saying how you vastly reduced your carbs, eliminated mot of them, and were doing well on LC reversing your diabetes.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...ol-with-chemotherapy-5-2-diet-fasting.144470/

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that is very true, i was actually gaining weight with high lipids in my blood, april 2018 i was 45 HBA1C
It was then i switched to zero animal fat, chemotherapy pains stopped in my stomach , the weight then fell off from april to now 16 kgs