That's not really all that relevant to PIR though @Kristin251 as individual insulin amounts vary according to factors other than food, including body type, exercise undertaken, etc. I think that would be better as a new topic than in this thread, as it would be a bit of a derailer.My question, and not at all judging, is those that eat moderate carbs, say 80-130 a day ( extremely high for me) , how many units of basal and bolus are you taking?? And though your A1c' s may be in normal ranges, what are the variances of bs between high school and lows?? Completely just looking to educate myself.
It's a perfectly normal and benign physiological state, so there's no need to correct it.I suffer from this, if I eat low carb my fasting levels increase by at least 1.0, same if I refrain from eating at all. If I eat moderate carbs my fasting levels go lower and so does my low before it rises.
It baffles me and I just don't know how to correct it.
Wow, OK. It's been driving me mad and turning me away from LCHF. Thanks.It's a perfectly normal and benign physiological state, so there's no need to correct it.
The links posted earlier in this thread by @Brunneria have lots of good information about it.Wow, OK. It's been driving me mad and turning me away from LCHF. Thanks.
Hello @Brunneria I am glad I found this post. I should have found it 2 + years ago. Having reversed my type 2 db in Dec. 2016 with the Newcastle Prof Taylor diet and later with LCHF, I became depressed at my later tests, with higher than expected Fasting Blood Sugars. Recent low HbA1c 's however have restored my mood and researching this curious phenomenon of Physiological Insulin Resistance , I came across this post. I have also looked at the Dr Kraft insulin curves and noted that the low insulin response of Type 1 diabetics can be mimicked by people on low carb / keto diets. I have not found a clear explanation of whether this insulin resistance is happening mainly at the muscle mitochondria , or if it is mainly the pancreas going to sleep , producing less insulin . The flat insulin curve of Kraft type 5 suggests it is a lack of insulin response at least in part. . Why is there no response to the oral glucose taken in ? Does the pancreas really ' go to sleep? I wonder if you know a recent reference which addresses these questions in simple English ? Thanks.What is confusing me is why people think they can test whether they have physiological insulin resistance by eating large amounts of carbs and watching the blood glucose rise! That is nonsense and shows a basic misunderstanding of what PIR is, and how it affects us.
Most people with PIR notice that their morning fastings are higher, and that their lowest levels of the day are slightly higher than they used to be. Nothing huge. Nothing frightening. We are talking about a small drift over weeks or months. It doesn't rise indefinitely and it stabalises well within the non diabetic glucose range. It happens to some people in extended ketosis, whether they have diabetes or not. It has not been proven to be harmful. Since these people are in extended ketosis, they usually have excellently controlled blood glucose and excellent hbA1cs. A few days of eating higher carbs (enough to raise the individual out of ketosis) is enough to remove any physiological insulin resistance.
Here are a few links that explain it better than I can:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/does-eating-low-carb-cause-insulin-resistance/
http://ketopia.com/physiological-insulin-resistance/ (Mainly for the attached reading list)
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