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<blockquote data-quote="Mbaker" data-source="post: 2410040" data-attributes="member: 256617"><p>I would say the choice of how much fat is context specific. In order to get fat adapted, it would be necessary to have a higher fat content to build up the bodily mechanisms to switch over to using eaten and stored fat.</p><p></p><p>Once fat adapted you can slide the fat content up or down to suit satiety, how you feel and potentially athletic / aesthetic goals.</p><p></p><p>All of the views on cholesterol are hypothesis, there is not a definitive answer. The consensus view that the lower the better, has not played out when tested, either via randomised control trials or when compared to higher evidence such as a CAC scan. In short just as many die with low cholesterol as do with high. There is agreement that in post menopausal women higher cholesterol is protective (consensus stretches to the Vegan hierarchy also).</p><p></p><p>Generally in "our" space HDL improves (goes up), triglycerides improve (go down), LDL goes up in around a third. A well formulated low carb / keto diet will adjust LDL to be bigger (better in "our" view). "We" tend to believe that LDL is benign unless it is damaged by sugar and or vegetable òils, where it becomes smaller and dense. The other view is that LDL is just bad and leads to increased risk of heart disease. You will need to weigh the evidence on both sides. I go with the Keto advocates due to the other view being built on a lie, the 7 countries study, I don't believe our body has a sabotage mechanism built in by nature, the Japanese have shown the mechanism of glycation of the LDL, many with cholesterol above 7 have had CAC scans which show no disease in the arteries, etc.</p><p></p><p>In your shoes I would cut carbs, prioritise protein at every meal and eat the fat that came with the protein. I don't personally add extra butter or do fat bombs and the like.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mbaker, post: 2410040, member: 256617"] I would say the choice of how much fat is context specific. In order to get fat adapted, it would be necessary to have a higher fat content to build up the bodily mechanisms to switch over to using eaten and stored fat. Once fat adapted you can slide the fat content up or down to suit satiety, how you feel and potentially athletic / aesthetic goals. All of the views on cholesterol are hypothesis, there is not a definitive answer. The consensus view that the lower the better, has not played out when tested, either via randomised control trials or when compared to higher evidence such as a CAC scan. In short just as many die with low cholesterol as do with high. There is agreement that in post menopausal women higher cholesterol is protective (consensus stretches to the Vegan hierarchy also). Generally in "our" space HDL improves (goes up), triglycerides improve (go down), LDL goes up in around a third. A well formulated low carb / keto diet will adjust LDL to be bigger (better in "our" view). "We" tend to believe that LDL is benign unless it is damaged by sugar and or vegetable òils, where it becomes smaller and dense. The other view is that LDL is just bad and leads to increased risk of heart disease. You will need to weigh the evidence on both sides. I go with the Keto advocates due to the other view being built on a lie, the 7 countries study, I don't believe our body has a sabotage mechanism built in by nature, the Japanese have shown the mechanism of glycation of the LDL, many with cholesterol above 7 have had CAC scans which show no disease in the arteries, etc. In your shoes I would cut carbs, prioritise protein at every meal and eat the fat that came with the protein. I don't personally add extra butter or do fat bombs and the like. [/QUOTE]
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