carina62
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 349
- Location
- Leicestershire
- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
- Treatment type
- Tablets (oral)
- Dislikes
- miserable weather, rude and bad mannered people
carina62 said:Many of you may have recently read the article relating to the man who reversed his diabetes in 11 days by sticking to 600 calories. The more i am reading about these stories, the more i feel encouraged. I have noticed though that most people that have reversed their diabetes have lost an enormous amount of weight (ie ususally 5 or 6 stones). I have lost a stone but have a very long way to go as i need to lose about 5 stones but am wondering whether to take it nice and steady and hopefully watch my BS levels decrease or just go full pelt and either do 2 days Fasting Diet each week to speed up the weight loss - what do others think?
janeecee said:It was the Newcastle Diet, and the definition of "reversal" is fasting levels of <6.0 and hba1c of <6.0 without medication, and not permanently normoglycaemic ie eating whatever you like and never going above normal blood sugar levels. The long term success of the diet depends on significant weight loss and keeping it off, assuming weight gain was a contributory factor in the development of diabetes. Ultimately, the Newcastle Diet is a crash diet with the usual caveats.
lrw60 said:My db nurse noticed my db easing after I had lost about 2 stones. She started to reduce my meds to suit. After I had lost over 5 stones (is 5 the magic number?) I no longer needed meds for the db or cholesterol, and I could also give up a few bp pills too. From 10 pills per day to 2 in less than 2 years by following the WeightWatchers diet. I liked my diet, I enjoyed it because it was just ordinary foods, nothing faddy about it! It wasn't even low carb. I still eat the same foods now, with a bit of naughty thrown in! These naughties don't cause any effects to me physically, and 2 hours later my blood is still ok. A meal with nearly 100g of carbs hardly bothers me now. (I don't eat like that all the time, I'm a good boy I am)
I don't agree with fad or quirky diets. It might be a good way of getting a fast result, but you will have to eat normally one day, it might as well be from day one. September will see my first anniversary free of the need for meds. Does anyone know what my practice will do after this date? Will I still be given 4 tests per year, or maybe it will be reduced to 1 or stopped altogether.
gezzathorpe said:lrw60 said:My db nurse noticed my db easing after I had lost about 2 stones. She started to reduce my meds to suit. After I had lost over 5 stones (is 5 the magic number?) I no longer needed meds for the db or cholesterol, and I could also give up a few bp pills too. From 10 pills per day to 2 in less than 2 years by following the WeightWatchers diet. I liked my diet, I enjoyed it because it was just ordinary foods, nothing faddy about it! It wasn't even low carb. I still eat the same foods now, with a bit of naughty thrown in! These naughties don't cause any effects to me physically, and 2 hours later my blood is still ok. A meal with nearly 100g of carbs hardly bothers me now. (I don't eat like that all the time, I'm a good boy I am)
I don't agree with fad or quirky diets. It might be a good way of getting a fast result, but you will have to eat normally one day, it might as well be from day one. September will see my first anniversary free of the need for meds. Does anyone know what my practice will do after this date? Will I still be given 4 tests per year, or maybe it will be reduced to 1 or stopped altogether.
Probably the most heartwarming news I've read here for a long time! After being 'officially knighted' as diabetes resolved (I'm reserving judgement on that!), my next appointment is 12 months. I can still get free tests strips etc. although that may be an oversight. You should get a review in 12 months (or is that in September?), I would have thought if for no other reason than to ensure you are still on track. Also, maybe ask if you still get 'free' diabetes-related prescriptions in case you feel like the odd test now and again (or maybe don't remind them to cancel it!). :twisted:
Paul_c said:low carb high fat diet will do the trick. To maintain weight, you just up the amount of fat in the diet until you are stable.
swickliffe7 said:Does anyone know how to reverse type 2 db if you don't need to lose any weight. I don't really want to go on a diet because I'm already on the thin side. I have tried many different supplements that seem to help some. I take metformin but I use a topical
cream form so it won't mess with my stomach. I really want to try and reverse my db can anyone offer any advice?
Thanks
Sue
carty said:Sorry Paul but I cant agree that low carb high fat will reverse diabetes ,that is a sweeping statement and does not take into account what caused the DB in the first place and how bad it is .I agree that it will help lower BGs ,but i feel your statement may cause skinny DBs to lose heart if they are LCHF but ther eBGs are not lowering as much as they would like or as much as others have managed
CAROL
Paul_c said:carty said:Sorry Paul but I cant agree that low carb high fat will reverse diabetes ,that is a sweeping statement and does not take into account what caused the DB in the first place and how bad it is .I agree that it will help lower BGs ,but i feel your statement may cause skinny DBs to lose heart if they are LCHF but ther eBGs are not lowering as much as they would like or as much as others have managed
CAROL
No I was caught out by a semantic trick... I control my diabetes by low-carb high-fat and will maintain my weight soon by increasing my fat intake when much closer to my target weight.
Glucose control is most important. Losing weight as a side result of LCHF is a bonus.
janeecee said:Someone mention my name? :lol:
Reverse just means well controlled and achieving near normal numbers without the need for medication, but like Carol says, what helps depends on other factors. Being prediabetic, there are some concerns about high fat as lipotoxicty, in the presence of glucotoxicity, reduces beta function. Regardless of what I eat, including meals without starchy carbs, I still have a certain degree of mild hyperglycaemia after 2 hours, and although below the threshold for complications, it is probably still sufficient to risk further beta cell loss. I don't want to adopt a high fat diet if it leads to lipotoxicty and makes matters worse.
And before someone jumps up and says "prove it", you've all got access to the internet and capable of doing you're own research. Email the authors of the studies to dispute it, rather than get confrontational with me.
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